Comments on: CSG intelligence failure: not the first, tells former insider

By: ORLY?

ORLY? — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 01:12:37 +0000

Hi Frochel,

I agree with you, Nathans post was brilliant.
My comment was about those bloggers that took his comment so seriously.
Well done Nathan one of the funniest blog entries I have read for a long time.

By: frochel

frochel — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 23:23:27 +0000

ORLY?,

We thought’s Nathan’s post was an excellent satirical contribution to the debate.

How did you read it?

By: ORLY?

ORLY? — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:41:11 +0000

How funny , the title of this blog was ‘CSG intelligence faliure’ but after Nathans post I think this little diatribe turned out to be a bloggers intelligence faliure!

By: Daniel Levy

Daniel Levy — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 01:46:08 +0000

Heh, I’ve never seen the movie, unfortunately. He sure got me

By: WA Veteran

WA Veteran — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 00:43:33 +0000

Daniel,

You (and others, although perhaps to a lesser degree) seem to have not understood that Nathan’s post was satirical.

Also, note the address that Nathan was supposedly writing from.
Does that not have any meaning to you?

Just in case you have any doubts:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j2F4VcBmeo

By: Daniel Levy

Daniel Levy — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 14:47:20 +0000

Nathan Jessep, what a god complex you have. Do you honestly see yourself as above the law? No security organisation should ever be above justification of its methods. That is just ridiculous. It is worrying, the pedestal on which you place the men and women carrying out the task of security. Nobody is above reproach.

Transparency of security methods is an absolute must. Without it, unspeakable crimes have and will continue to happen as a direct result. Unspeakable crimes which have been committed in the name of preventing crime. What a sad irony.

By: concerned.melbourne.jew

concerned.melbourne.jew — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 04:17:50 +0000

sorry, i took the bait. i don’t go to the movies, but it was so outrageous, i should have checked (eg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Few_Good_Men). although some other (what appear to be) “real” posts here have been a bit off the planet…

By: uneducated jewgirl

uneducated jewgirl — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 04:04:57 +0000

Lt Col. Nathan R Jessep – sounds like a part of the script from that movie with Tom Cruise and Jack Nicholson ‘you can’t handle the truth’ yadayadayada

While i appreciate the security CSG provides, this is not a military operation and this is not the USA. Without transparency and answerability (is that a word?) dictatorships thrive and so does corruption. There seems to be a great deal of paranoia …. not every hijab wearing muslim is intent on killing us and not every kippah wearing jew is pure of heart.

Just my two incoherent 10 cents worth.

By: concerned.melbourne.jew

concerned.melbourne.jew — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 02:54:24 +0000

yep, it just gets better & better. they’re coming out of the woodwork now. i got news for some: there is a realist ground between the unrealistic extremes of gungho, paranoid, self-important delusions & everything’s-ok-do-nothing. those who question whether CSG & others have chosen this ground don’t need the condescending attitude of “I’d prefer you just said thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon and stand a post. Either way, I don’t give a damn what you think you are entitled to.”. my way or the highway as a basis for community discourse in a free country? i don’t think so.

By: Nathan

Nathan — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 02:31:14 +0000

Almoni/Eli,

We live in a world that has walls.
And those walls have to be guarded by men
with guns. Who’s gonna do it? You? You,
Leesa? The CSG have a greater
responsibility than you can possibly
fathom. You weep for the woman in the Hijab, and you
curse the CSG. You have that luxury.
You have the luxury of not knowing what I
know: That this so-called blacklisting, while tragic,
probably saved lives. And the CSG’s existence,
while grotesque and incomprehensible to
you, saves lives.

You don’t want the truth. Because deep
down, in places you don’t talk about at
parties, you want the CSG on that wall. You
need them on that wall.

The CSG uses words like honour, code,
loyalty…they use these words as the
backbone to a life spent defending
something. You use them as a punchline.

I have neither the time nor the
inclination to explain myself to a man who
rises and sleeps under the blanket of the
very freedom the CSG provides, then questions the
manner in which they provide it. I’d prefer
you just said thank you and went on your
way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a
weapon and stand a post. Either way, I
don’t give a damn what you think you are entitled to.

Lt. Col. Nathan R. Jessep, Unites States Marines (Retired).

Fort Leavenworth