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		<title>By: ra</title>
		<link>http://galusaustralis.com/2009/07/599/from-britain-to-israel-to-melbourne-everyone-loves-a-boycott/#comment-2990</link>
		<dc:creator>ra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 05:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An interesting aside that has not gained much attention here is the degree of personal feelings here.  Crikey&#039;s edition from 23 July contained these curious paragraphs:

(Sol Salbe wrote) &quot;But when Loach wrote to MIFF Director Richard Moore about the massacre in Gaza he probably wasn&#039;t aware that Moore had a close connection there. Moore has an Israeli son who has recently finished his three-year Israeli Defence Force service during which time the IDF has often fought in Gaza. Moore was probably more scathing than he needed to be with Loach. When he further wrote &quot;we will not participate in a boycott against the state of Israel, just as we would not contemplate boycotting films from China&quot;, his words were taken by some to mean that Loach wanted him to boycott films from Israel.

Chief among those who took it that way was the member for Melbourne Ports, Michael Danby. His assertion that Loach demanded the Melbourne Film Festival withdraw Israeli films was distributed all over the world. Danby&#039;s straw-person argument against an imaginary ban got him lots of publicity. He concluded by saying that like many Melbournians he&#039;ll be attending Israeli films like &quot;Waltzing with Bashir&quot;. Even though he got the name wrong, (it&#039;s Waltz, not Waltzing) this is good news. This year’s Israeli sole feature film entry is Ajami which just won the Wolgin prize in Jerusalem the other day and it deserves any publicity, and audience, it can get.&quot; 

(See Ben Eltham &quot;Art and politics boil over for the Melbourne Film Festival&quot; Crikey, 23 July 2009).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interesting aside that has not gained much attention here is the degree of personal feelings here.  Crikey&#8217;s edition from 23 July contained these curious paragraphs:</p>
<p>(Sol Salbe wrote) &#8220;But when Loach wrote to MIFF Director Richard Moore about the massacre in Gaza he probably wasn&#8217;t aware that Moore had a close connection there. Moore has an Israeli son who has recently finished his three-year Israeli Defence Force service during which time the IDF has often fought in Gaza. Moore was probably more scathing than he needed to be with Loach. When he further wrote &#8220;we will not participate in a boycott against the state of Israel, just as we would not contemplate boycotting films from China&#8221;, his words were taken by some to mean that Loach wanted him to boycott films from Israel.</p>
<p>Chief among those who took it that way was the member for Melbourne Ports, Michael Danby. His assertion that Loach demanded the Melbourne Film Festival withdraw Israeli films was distributed all over the world. Danby&#8217;s straw-person argument against an imaginary ban got him lots of publicity. He concluded by saying that like many Melbournians he&#8217;ll be attending Israeli films like &#8220;Waltzing with Bashir&#8221;. Even though he got the name wrong, (it&#8217;s Waltz, not Waltzing) this is good news. This year’s Israeli sole feature film entry is Ajami which just won the Wolgin prize in Jerusalem the other day and it deserves any publicity, and audience, it can get.&#8221; </p>
<p>(See Ben Eltham &#8220;Art and politics boil over for the Melbourne Film Festival&#8221; Crikey, 23 July 2009).</p>
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		<title>By: Almoni</title>
		<link>http://galusaustralis.com/2009/07/599/from-britain-to-israel-to-melbourne-everyone-loves-a-boycott/#comment-2932</link>
		<dc:creator>Almoni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 00:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bummer,

but a search has turned up this  http://usacbi.wordpress.com/2009/07/28/email-exchanges-between-ken-loach-paul-laverty-rebecca-o%E2%80%99brien-and-the-melbourne-film-festival-organizers/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bummer,</p>
<p>but a search has turned up this  <a href="http://usacbi.wordpress.com/2009/07/28/email-exchanges-between-ken-loach-paul-laverty-rebecca-o%E2%80%99brien-and-the-melbourne-film-festival-organizers/" class="ext-link" rel="external" target="_blank">http://usacbi.wordpress.com/2009/07/28/email-exchanges-between-ken-loach-paul-laverty-rebecca-o%E2%80%99brien-and-the-melbourne-film-festival-organizers/</a></p>
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		<title>By: The Hasid</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Hasid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 14:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your contribution, Almoni!

I would follow the link you provided to the MIFF website, but it is down thanks to the efforts of Chinese hackers &quot;protesting&quot; the festival&#039;s screening of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://galusaustralis.com/2009/08/a-uyghur-tale/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The 10 Conditions of Love&lt;/a&gt;. The irony.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your contribution, Almoni!</p>
<p>I would follow the link you provided to the MIFF website, but it is down thanks to the efforts of Chinese hackers &#8220;protesting&#8221; the festival&#8217;s screening of the <a href="http://galusaustralis.com/2009/08/a-uyghur-tale/" class="local-link">The 10 Conditions of Love</a>. The irony.</p>
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		<title>By: Galus Australis &#187; A Uyghur Tale</title>
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		<dc:creator>Galus Australis &#187; A Uyghur Tale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 08:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ken Loach, who had previously premiered a number of his films at the festival, announced that he would pull out of the festival if the festival continued to take support from the Israeli embassy. Luckily for the sake of sanity [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Ken Loach, who had previously premiered a number of his films at the festival, announced that he would pull out of the festival if the festival continued to take support from the Israeli embassy. Luckily for the sake of sanity [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Naomi Klein and the BDS campaign &#171; jew on this</title>
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		<dc:creator>Naomi Klein and the BDS campaign &#171; jew on this</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 06:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Israeli Government. The Jewish News this week, as well as another Melbourne Jewish blog (which has posted twice), have severely criticised Loach&#8217;s move as misdirected and wrong. But, I think, they [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Israeli Government. The Jewish News this week, as well as another Melbourne Jewish blog (which has posted twice), have severely criticised Loach&#8217;s move as misdirected and wrong. But, I think, they [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Almoni</title>
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		<dc:creator>Almoni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 16:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In contrat to Eli, from a left viewpoint, I&#039;d distinguish between  a generalized boycotts boycotts of Israeli products such as cultural projects or films,  and activities directly linked to the military and particularly the occupation of the west bank and associated repression of Palestinians.

It also needs to be made clear that Loach is allied with various ultra-left factions in the UK, the bane of people who support a negotiated settlement. I&#039;d agree, they are complete hypocrites and most of us on the left  with any sense broke with them years ago.

But I  have no problem, for example, of arguing for a boycott of Caterpillar and what goes on with their products on the west bank or in the destuction of beduin homes.   On the other hand...if it meant that we couldn&#039;t send Caterpillar products to East Timor...it is always complicated when arguing for perfectly ethical behaviour in a globalised economy. But this problem should  not be an excuse for not expressing political diappointment with Israeli politics. 

   If anything, misconstrued actions such as Loach&#039;s (which also add to his others sense of moral superiority, I am sure) only serve to provoke comments such as Eli&#039;s concerning the intentions of criticism of Israel  &quot;the supposed and perceived immorality of Israel,Zionism and Jews in general.&quot;  This comment is highly overgeneralised. It may apply to some people but certainly not all critics of the occupation etc.  There is no conspiracy against Israel lead by Hamas or Fatah as implied by Eli  (and we can have a long argument about whether or not they recognise Israel or not, but this is not the place for it).  For all the paranoia of many people,  I&#039;d strongly argue that for &#039;people&#039; i.e. the press, media, academics letter writers and others it is not about Jews or Zionism. Of course there are the crazies, but they are not the ones who run the show.

It is about bad Israeli politics AND frequently stupid Palestinian and Arab politics.( Who is more of an underdog is the subject of another discussion)

Thus not  all critics of the occupation and repression are fools and anti-semites.

But to get back to the topic, I&#039;d like to quote from the MIFF website about the importance of the right to free expression--

&lt;em&gt; The festival has a long tradition of programming films that examine various points of view on the Middle East including the Israel Palestinian question......MIFF understands that that this issue is a particularly emotional one for people but we will not participate in a boycott against the State of Israel, just as we would not contemplate boycotting films from China or other nations involved in difficult long standing historical disputes.&lt;/em&gt;

http://www.melbournefilmfestival.com.au/news.php?newsitem=149

Loach&#039;s boycott in fact limits the potential for intelligent free debate and interaction in the public sphere, rather than turning it into a divisive slanging match.  Self-censorship has only shot Loach in the foot.

In response to his pressure for the Edinburgh festival to refuse 300 pounds from the Israeli government to sponsor an Israeli film-maker, former Channel 4 chief executive Sir Jeremy Isaacs said: &quot;Ken Loach has always been critical of censorship of his own work, albeit it was many years in the past. The idea that he should lend himself to the denial of a film-maker&#039;s right to show her work is absolutely appalling.&quot; 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Loach#Political_activities

Well put BUT, don&#039;t let your anger over this act as a diversion from thinking and acting about 40 years of occupation and all the blown opportunties to solve the problem.

2.50 am  

enough said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In contrat to Eli, from a left viewpoint, I&#8217;d distinguish between  a generalized boycotts boycotts of Israeli products such as cultural projects or films,  and activities directly linked to the military and particularly the occupation of the west bank and associated repression of Palestinians.</p>
<p>It also needs to be made clear that Loach is allied with various ultra-left factions in the UK, the bane of people who support a negotiated settlement. I&#8217;d agree, they are complete hypocrites and most of us on the left  with any sense broke with them years ago.</p>
<p>But I  have no problem, for example, of arguing for a boycott of Caterpillar and what goes on with their products on the west bank or in the destuction of beduin homes.   On the other hand&#8230;if it meant that we couldn&#8217;t send Caterpillar products to East Timor&#8230;it is always complicated when arguing for perfectly ethical behaviour in a globalised economy. But this problem should  not be an excuse for not expressing political diappointment with Israeli politics. </p>
<p>   If anything, misconstrued actions such as Loach&#8217;s (which also add to his others sense of moral superiority, I am sure) only serve to provoke comments such as Eli&#8217;s concerning the intentions of criticism of Israel  &#8220;the supposed and perceived immorality of Israel,Zionism and Jews in general.&#8221;  This comment is highly overgeneralised. It may apply to some people but certainly not all critics of the occupation etc.  There is no conspiracy against Israel lead by Hamas or Fatah as implied by Eli  (and we can have a long argument about whether or not they recognise Israel or not, but this is not the place for it).  For all the paranoia of many people,  I&#8217;d strongly argue that for &#8216;people&#8217; i.e. the press, media, academics letter writers and others it is not about Jews or Zionism. Of course there are the crazies, but they are not the ones who run the show.</p>
<p>It is about bad Israeli politics AND frequently stupid Palestinian and Arab politics.( Who is more of an underdog is the subject of another discussion)</p>
<p>Thus not  all critics of the occupation and repression are fools and anti-semites.</p>
<p>But to get back to the topic, I&#8217;d like to quote from the MIFF website about the importance of the right to free expression&#8211;</p>
<p><em> The festival has a long tradition of programming films that examine various points of view on the Middle East including the Israel Palestinian question&#8230;&#8230;MIFF understands that that this issue is a particularly emotional one for people but we will not participate in a boycott against the State of Israel, just as we would not contemplate boycotting films from China or other nations involved in difficult long standing historical disputes.</em></p>
<p><a href="http://www.melbournefilmfestival.com.au/news.php?newsitem=149" class="ext-link" rel="external" target="_blank">http://www.melbournefilmfestival.com.au/news.php?newsitem=149</a></p>
<p>Loach&#8217;s boycott in fact limits the potential for intelligent free debate and interaction in the public sphere, rather than turning it into a divisive slanging match.  Self-censorship has only shot Loach in the foot.</p>
<p>In response to his pressure for the Edinburgh festival to refuse 300 pounds from the Israeli government to sponsor an Israeli film-maker, former Channel 4 chief executive Sir Jeremy Isaacs said: &#8220;Ken Loach has always been critical of censorship of his own work, albeit it was many years in the past. The idea that he should lend himself to the denial of a film-maker&#8217;s right to show her work is absolutely appalling.&#8221; </p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Loach#Political_activities" class="ext-link" rel="external" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Loach#Political_activities</a></p>
<p>Well put BUT, don&#8217;t let your anger over this act as a diversion from thinking and acting about 40 years of occupation and all the blown opportunties to solve the problem.</p>
<p>2.50 am  </p>
<p>enough said.</p>
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		<title>By: Eri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 00:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spot on.   i log on everyday because everything is interesting and thought provoking</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spot on.   i log on everyday because everything is interesting and thought provoking</p>
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		<title>By: eli</title>
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		<dc:creator>eli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 23:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hasid,

Lets not just be annoyed at Ken Loach and his antics in this instance. The concerted effort of the Palestinian Campaign for the Academic and Cultural Boycott of Israel,coupled with the ongoing attempts around the world to boycott Israeli goods and services, the recent British Governments decision  not to renew the license to some British military manufacturers in supplying spare parts to the Israeli Navy as one example, may at the this point seem on the face of it purely political, anti Israel and solely aimed at the intelligentsia of the West.

In reality, the continued barrage of these boycotts and and the publicity that it brings with it,is aimed at slowly infiltrating inseminating, and ultimately convincing the general public , most of whom have a shallow knowledge of the conflict but a deep sense of affinity with the &quot;underdog&quot;, of the supposed and perceived immorality of Israel,Zionism and Jews in general.

It&#039;s a pervasive technique that fits in completely with the Palestinian/Hamas/Hezbollah war of attrition on Israel. Its about eradicating Israel and Jews from the Middle East, not about a peaceful coexistence. All these groups have yet to acknowledge either in their own literature or verbal communication the right of Israel to exist.

Although these boycotts maybe seen by some as no more than mere irritations designed to annoy and cajole some reactive Zionist supporters,they are in fact the means by whereby slowly by attrition they gain the sympathies of the non aligned majority opinion and allow the ensuing political correctness to complete the task.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hasid,</p>
<p>Lets not just be annoyed at Ken Loach and his antics in this instance. The concerted effort of the Palestinian Campaign for the Academic and Cultural Boycott of Israel,coupled with the ongoing attempts around the world to boycott Israeli goods and services, the recent British Governments decision  not to renew the license to some British military manufacturers in supplying spare parts to the Israeli Navy as one example, may at the this point seem on the face of it purely political, anti Israel and solely aimed at the intelligentsia of the West.</p>
<p>In reality, the continued barrage of these boycotts and and the publicity that it brings with it,is aimed at slowly infiltrating inseminating, and ultimately convincing the general public , most of whom have a shallow knowledge of the conflict but a deep sense of affinity with the &#8220;underdog&#8221;, of the supposed and perceived immorality of Israel,Zionism and Jews in general.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a pervasive technique that fits in completely with the Palestinian/Hamas/Hezbollah war of attrition on Israel. Its about eradicating Israel and Jews from the Middle East, not about a peaceful coexistence. All these groups have yet to acknowledge either in their own literature or verbal communication the right of Israel to exist.</p>
<p>Although these boycotts maybe seen by some as no more than mere irritations designed to annoy and cajole some reactive Zionist supporters,they are in fact the means by whereby slowly by attrition they gain the sympathies of the non aligned majority opinion and allow the ensuing political correctness to complete the task.</p>
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