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	<title>Comments on: Jews Against Israel: Uncovering the Anti-Zionist Agenda &#8211; PART 2</title>
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		<title>By: Margot Salom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Margot Salom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 22:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Philip - I have only just read this article and comments (I was Googling my name and it came up).   Re age and post-grad research.  I certainly qualify as a senior and am interested in undertaking a PhD.   Not exactly in the area that you are describing re anti-Zionism with Australian Jews (although I certainly would be interested in results if it is ever undertaken)  My interest is in the area of the psycho-emotional &#039;motivations&#039; that result in the strong allegiance of diaspora Jews to Israel despite such events as Gaza etc.   I am already 5 chapters into a book that is leading up to an examination of this and a description of the &#039;history&#039; of the European Jews post Emancipation to present situation in Israel/Palestine.   I can continue with the book but it would be good to do  empirical research.   

BTW Philip - of my respondents in the Master&#039;s research study, only one stated that they were &quot;anti-Zionist&quot;.  The question was asked on a continuum and all the other respondents chose somewhere else on that continuum!!   I thought that was interesting - but it was in 2004 and a lot has happened since then.

I do have a supervisor lined up at UQ but I am not sure whether he is appropriate to this topic.   I am waiting for his return from overseas in April to decide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Philip &#8211; I have only just read this article and comments (I was Googling my name and it came up).   Re age and post-grad research.  I certainly qualify as a senior and am interested in undertaking a PhD.   Not exactly in the area that you are describing re anti-Zionism with Australian Jews (although I certainly would be interested in results if it is ever undertaken)  My interest is in the area of the psycho-emotional &#8216;motivations&#8217; that result in the strong allegiance of diaspora Jews to Israel despite such events as Gaza etc.   I am already 5 chapters into a book that is leading up to an examination of this and a description of the &#8216;history&#8217; of the European Jews post Emancipation to present situation in Israel/Palestine.   I can continue with the book but it would be good to do  empirical research.   </p>
<p>BTW Philip &#8211; of my respondents in the Master&#8217;s research study, only one stated that they were &#8220;anti-Zionist&#8221;.  The question was asked on a continuum and all the other respondents chose somewhere else on that continuum!!   I thought that was interesting &#8211; but it was in 2004 and a lot has happened since then.</p>
<p>I do have a supervisor lined up at UQ but I am not sure whether he is appropriate to this topic.   I am waiting for his return from overseas in April to decide.</p>
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		<title>By: Chaim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chaim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 17:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larry - I dont know if anyone seem to be still reading this.

We question was off topic because I had asked you on another article but you had seemed to have moved on...

The truth is this continuation of who or what or how many anti- non- Zionists are out there seems off... Considering we have had previous threads where one person considers himself a non-Zionist and another Zionist but both seem to be accused of anti- or non-. The polls seem a little ridiculous. Either the definitions are too broad or too narrow. Someone might non agree with the definition of a non-Zionist but may seem closer to that than anti- or Zionist and check that response... instead of putting I don&#039;t know.

Everyone seem to be from Melbourne or Sydney but Perth people may know Geoff Solomon. He used to say that the 70 Rabbis being segregated and coming up with the exact Greek translation for the Septuagint is not a miracle. Having the 70 Rabbis in the same room and coming up with one translation would have been a real miracle.

Back to Fayyad’s proposal proposal. I read the bitter lemon essays. No one seemed to have a problem with the proposed imposed Shari&#039;a laws. I notice he was never actually elected. More like an American educated stooge to impress the west. Is there support for him within the Palestinians? Does he or this proposal represent the Palestinians?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry &#8211; I dont know if anyone seem to be still reading this.</p>
<p>We question was off topic because I had asked you on another article but you had seemed to have moved on&#8230;</p>
<p>The truth is this continuation of who or what or how many anti- non- Zionists are out there seems off&#8230; Considering we have had previous threads where one person considers himself a non-Zionist and another Zionist but both seem to be accused of anti- or non-. The polls seem a little ridiculous. Either the definitions are too broad or too narrow. Someone might non agree with the definition of a non-Zionist but may seem closer to that than anti- or Zionist and check that response&#8230; instead of putting I don&#8217;t know.</p>
<p>Everyone seem to be from Melbourne or Sydney but Perth people may know Geoff Solomon. He used to say that the 70 Rabbis being segregated and coming up with the exact Greek translation for the Septuagint is not a miracle. Having the 70 Rabbis in the same room and coming up with one translation would have been a real miracle.</p>
<p>Back to Fayyad’s proposal proposal. I read the bitter lemon essays. No one seemed to have a problem with the proposed imposed Shari&#8217;a laws. I notice he was never actually elected. More like an American educated stooge to impress the west. Is there support for him within the Palestinians? Does he or this proposal represent the Palestinians?</p>
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		<title>By: philip mendes</title>
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		<dc:creator>philip mendes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 06:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larry: I should have said young or with youthful energy. All my current PHD students are actually older than me, but they all have lots of energy and passion for their subject. But seriously, this would be a hot topic, and I suspect only someone young and very idealistic would be keen to take it on.

Philip</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry: I should have said young or with youthful energy. All my current PHD students are actually older than me, but they all have lots of energy and passion for their subject. But seriously, this would be a hot topic, and I suspect only someone young and very idealistic would be keen to take it on.</p>
<p>Philip</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Stillman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Stillman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 05:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Philip, does a PhD student have to be young? Are you excluding the wisdom of older people (quite seriously, this is a real question for anyone recruiting students)?  I&#039;d be very concerned from many angles if you recruited on the basis of youth alone. 

If we accept that Zionism-non-Zionism is a spectrum of belief, why do you assume that all people with this belief are young?

Some of the best research is done by people (of any gender affiliation) with substantial life experience....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Philip, does a PhD student have to be young? Are you excluding the wisdom of older people (quite seriously, this is a real question for anyone recruiting students)?  I&#8217;d be very concerned from many angles if you recruited on the basis of youth alone. </p>
<p>If we accept that Zionism-non-Zionism is a spectrum of belief, why do you assume that all people with this belief are young?</p>
<p>Some of the best research is done by people (of any gender affiliation) with substantial life experience&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: philip mendes</title>
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		<dc:creator>philip mendes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 05:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Werdiger is of course right about the lack of empirical research on Jewish anti-Zionists. I have based my analysis on their published writings and statements, but I have not interviewed anyone since my earlier 1993 book (The New Left, the Jews and the Vietnam War, Lazare Press) and don&#039;t have the time to do so.

Margot Salom did a recent Masters thesis in Queensland on Jewish peace activists, but didn&#039;t specifically look at Jewish anti-Zionism. Similarly Barbara Bloch did her phd on a slightly related topic, and David Slucki is writing his phd on the Bund rather than anti-Zionism per se.

I think it would be great if a young phd student did some serious academic work in this area.

Philip</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Werdiger is of course right about the lack of empirical research on Jewish anti-Zionists. I have based my analysis on their published writings and statements, but I have not interviewed anyone since my earlier 1993 book (The New Left, the Jews and the Vietnam War, Lazare Press) and don&#8217;t have the time to do so.</p>
<p>Margot Salom did a recent Masters thesis in Queensland on Jewish peace activists, but didn&#8217;t specifically look at Jewish anti-Zionism. Similarly Barbara Bloch did her phd on a slightly related topic, and David Slucki is writing his phd on the Bund rather than anti-Zionism per se.</p>
<p>I think it would be great if a young phd student did some serious academic work in this area.</p>
<p>Philip</p>
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		<title>By: ariel</title>
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		<dc:creator>ariel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 04:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Philip mentions something interesting which is that the media tend to treat IAJV as a functioning political movement when they are nothing of the kind.

The irony of anti-Zionists is that they wouldn&#039;t be able to march proudly if it weren&#039;t for a strong Israel which protects their rights. Countries with large Jewish populations today don&#039;t practice (physical) anti-Semitism because we have Israel at our backs. 

Menachem Begin as PM once spoke in the Knesset, responding to an interjecting member of the Communist Party . He explained that he opposed a PLO state next to Israel because it would be a client of the USSR and &quot;when the Soviets arrive, the Communists are the first ones to be arrested!&quot;

Likewise, if Israel were to cease to exist (G-d forbid) the anti-Zionists would be the first ones thrown into the gulags by the Islamists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Philip mentions something interesting which is that the media tend to treat IAJV as a functioning political movement when they are nothing of the kind.</p>
<p>The irony of anti-Zionists is that they wouldn&#8217;t be able to march proudly if it weren&#8217;t for a strong Israel which protects their rights. Countries with large Jewish populations today don&#8217;t practice (physical) anti-Semitism because we have Israel at our backs. </p>
<p>Menachem Begin as PM once spoke in the Knesset, responding to an interjecting member of the Communist Party . He explained that he opposed a PLO state next to Israel because it would be a client of the USSR and &#8220;when the Soviets arrive, the Communists are the first ones to be arrested!&#8221;</p>
<p>Likewise, if Israel were to cease to exist (G-d forbid) the anti-Zionists would be the first ones thrown into the gulags by the Islamists.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Stillman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Stillman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 04:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the Fayyad announcement, I would like to point to this discussion by Israelis and Palestinians.

http://www.bitterlemons.org/previous/bl070909ed35.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the Fayyad announcement, I would like to point to this discussion by Israelis and Palestinians.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bitterlemons.org/previous/bl070909ed35.html" class="ext-link" rel="external" target="_blank">http://www.bitterlemons.org/previous/bl070909ed35.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: David Werdiger</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Werdiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 03:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I attended a presentation on the survery from Andrew Markus. I get the impression that the question on Zionism didn&#039;t get a meaningful result, and the definition (done by committee, of course) was partly to blame. Everyone is now jumping on that question&#039;s response to prove their own arguments, when we should all acknowledge that there isn&#039;t that much anyone can draw from it.

Andrew and his team are very good at running surveys &lt;em&gt;and interpreting them&lt;/em&gt;. Anyone less qualified should defer to their commentary rather than making their own inferences based on headline numbers.

The only way to find out if anti-Zionists are indeed a small, detested group, is to do further formal research. And, no, biased comments from people on here won&#039;t cut it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I attended a presentation on the survery from Andrew Markus. I get the impression that the question on Zionism didn&#8217;t get a meaningful result, and the definition (done by committee, of course) was partly to blame. Everyone is now jumping on that question&#8217;s response to prove their own arguments, when we should all acknowledge that there isn&#8217;t that much anyone can draw from it.</p>
<p>Andrew and his team are very good at running surveys <em>and interpreting them</em>. Anyone less qualified should defer to their commentary rather than making their own inferences based on headline numbers.</p>
<p>The only way to find out if anti-Zionists are indeed a small, detested group, is to do further formal research. And, no, biased comments from people on here won&#8217;t cut it!</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Stillman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Stillman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 03:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>le-Haim, that is off topic..If I have time, I will write a  personal blog piece, but I don&#039;t know if it is relevant to Galus.  

I know being human is no excuse, but this is as, they say, a curve ball which demands considerable thought. As you may realise, the goal postings are shifting every minute. 

Seriously, as well, is the tone of your question meant to entrap me, or or are you generally interested?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>le-Haim, that is off topic..If I have time, I will write a  personal blog piece, but I don&#8217;t know if it is relevant to Galus.  </p>
<p>I know being human is no excuse, but this is as, they say, a curve ball which demands considerable thought. As you may realise, the goal postings are shifting every minute. </p>
<p>Seriously, as well, is the tone of your question meant to entrap me, or or are you generally interested?</p>
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		<title>By: Chaim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chaim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 02:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larry -  I am interested in your comment on Prime Minister Salam Fayyad’s proposal for Palestinian state. Do you support him and Fatah?

http://english.wafa.ps/?action=detail&amp;id=12943</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry &#8211;  I am interested in your comment on Prime Minister Salam Fayyad’s proposal for Palestinian state. Do you support him and Fatah?</p>
<p><a href="http://english.wafa.ps/?action=detail&#038;id=12943" class="ext-link" rel="external" target="_blank">http://english.wafa.ps/?action=detail&#038;id=12943</a></p>
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