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	<title>Comments on: Lobbying, the Left and web 2.0: a blueprint for the Australian Jewish community?</title>
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		<title>By: Leo Braun</title>
		<link>http://galusaustralis.com/2009/10/1814/lobbying-the-left/#comment-4364</link>
		<dc:creator>Leo Braun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 01:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I was particularly struck by how completely different the situation is in this country, and how we are still more or less mired in a quite elitist form of political lobbying, based on wealth and privileged political links with the major parties. Alternative Jewish-identified voices ranging from what might be characterised as left Zionist ... to anti-Zionist ... are ignored, criticised or stigmatised to varying degrees&quot; [&lt;a href=&quot;http://galusaustralis.com/2009/10/lobbying-the-left&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Larry Stillman&lt;/a&gt;].

&quot;As Diaspora Jews, is it not more appropriate to respect the will of the Israeli people reflected in its democratically elected goverment? If Jews wish to put pressue on the Israeli government, then is not the appropriate response to go live in Israel, and exercise one&#039;s rights as a resident citizen of Israel&quot;? [&lt;a href=&quot;http://galusaustralis.com/2009/10/lobbying-the-left/#comment-4256&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Frosh&lt;/a&gt;] 


• &lt;b&gt;In the same vein, how about our civic duty to exercise the rights and obligations as the solemn citizen of Australia?&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I was particularly struck by how completely different the situation is in this country, and how we are still more or less mired in a quite elitist form of political lobbying, based on wealth and privileged political links with the major parties. Alternative Jewish-identified voices ranging from what might be characterised as left Zionist &#8230; to anti-Zionist &#8230; are ignored, criticised or stigmatised to varying degrees&#8221; [<a href="http://galusaustralis.com/2009/10/lobbying-the-left" class="local-link">Larry Stillman</a>].</p>
<p>&#8220;As Diaspora Jews, is it not more appropriate to respect the will of the Israeli people reflected in its democratically elected goverment? If Jews wish to put pressue on the Israeli government, then is not the appropriate response to go live in Israel, and exercise one&#8217;s rights as a resident citizen of Israel&#8221;? [<a href="http://galusaustralis.com/2009/10/lobbying-the-left/#comment-4256" class="local-link">Frosh</a>] </p>
<p>• <b>In the same vein, how about our civic duty to exercise the rights and obligations as the solemn citizen of Australia?</b></p>
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		<title>By: frosh</title>
		<link>http://galusaustralis.com/2009/10/1814/lobbying-the-left/#comment-4256</link>
		<dc:creator>frosh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 01:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larry,

One of the isues I have with J-Street is that appears to lobby the US Govt to pressure the Israeli Government.  

As Diaspora Jews, is it not more appropriate to respect the will of the Israeli people reflected in its democratically elected goverment?

If Jews wish to put pressue on the Israeli government, then is not the appropriate response to go live in Israel, and exercise one&#039;s rights as a resident citizen of Israel?

Finally, do we really need yet &lt;strong&gt;another &lt;/strong&gt;organisation to lobby the US President to be tougher on Israel?  After all, several such organistion already exist, such as The US State Department, as well as large oil companies and many Arab states (many of which are also large oil companies).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry,</p>
<p>One of the isues I have with J-Street is that appears to lobby the US Govt to pressure the Israeli Government.  </p>
<p>As Diaspora Jews, is it not more appropriate to respect the will of the Israeli people reflected in its democratically elected goverment?</p>
<p>If Jews wish to put pressue on the Israeli government, then is not the appropriate response to go live in Israel, and exercise one&#8217;s rights as a resident citizen of Israel?</p>
<p>Finally, do we really need yet <strong>another </strong>organisation to lobby the US President to be tougher on Israel?  After all, several such organistion already exist, such as The US State Department, as well as large oil companies and many Arab states (many of which are also large oil companies).</p>
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		<title>By: Leo Braun</title>
		<link>http://galusaustralis.com/2009/10/1814/lobbying-the-left/#comment-4185</link>
		<dc:creator>Leo Braun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 00:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Editor: comment deleted on multiple grounds:<br />
1)	Largely unintelligible. (As if the comment was the output of an online full-page translation program.)<br />
2)	Anti-Semitic content. (The &#8220;Elders of Zion&#8221; were not a real historical entity.)<br />
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		<title>By: Chaim</title>
		<link>http://galusaustralis.com/2009/10/1814/lobbying-the-left/#comment-4071</link>
		<dc:creator>Chaim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 04:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not believe J Street is represented truthfully here...  A little research and you can find out what they actually represent and who their backers are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not believe J Street is represented truthfully here&#8230;  A little research and you can find out what they actually represent and who their backers are.</p>
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		<title>By: rachsd</title>
		<link>http://galusaustralis.com/2009/10/1814/lobbying-the-left/#comment-4063</link>
		<dc:creator>rachsd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 23:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Larry,

My feeling is that political lobbying vis a vis Israel does not capture the imagination of Australian Jews (left or right) to the same degree as American Jews. At least not Australian Jews in the younger generation. In part, this is surely because of Australia is much less influential than America in Middle East politics. (Perhaps we would see a shift to greater involvement if Rudd were successful in his bid for a seat in the UN security council.) 

Personally, living in Australia, I feel that there are other areas in which I can be much more effective in creating positive change. 

I also would feel reticent to spend my time lobbying for change in the Middle East whilst living in Australia though I understand that there are many others who don&#039;t share this sentiment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Larry,</p>
<p>My feeling is that political lobbying vis a vis Israel does not capture the imagination of Australian Jews (left or right) to the same degree as American Jews. At least not Australian Jews in the younger generation. In part, this is surely because of Australia is much less influential than America in Middle East politics. (Perhaps we would see a shift to greater involvement if Rudd were successful in his bid for a seat in the UN security council.) </p>
<p>Personally, living in Australia, I feel that there are other areas in which I can be much more effective in creating positive change. </p>
<p>I also would feel reticent to spend my time lobbying for change in the Middle East whilst living in Australia though I understand that there are many others who don&#8217;t share this sentiment.</p>
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		<title>By: rachsd</title>
		<link>http://galusaustralis.com/2009/10/1814/lobbying-the-left/#comment-4062</link>
		<dc:creator>rachsd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 22:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Defensa,

If someone (such as yourself) was to hold a web-2.0 design competitition, Galus Australis would be more than happy to help with publicity by running an article about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Defensa,</p>
<p>If someone (such as yourself) was to hold a web-2.0 design competitition, Galus Australis would be more than happy to help with publicity by running an article about it.</p>
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		<title>By: TheSadducee</title>
		<link>http://galusaustralis.com/2009/10/1814/lobbying-the-left/#comment-4060</link>
		<dc:creator>TheSadducee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 22:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t mean to be picky but isn&#039;t it Ned Curthoys you are referring to earlier?  You might want to correct it.

[&lt;em&gt;From eds: Gah! How embarrassing! Thanks, Sadducee&lt;/em&gt;.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t mean to be picky but isn&#8217;t it Ned Curthoys you are referring to earlier?  You might want to correct it.</p>
<p>[<em>From eds: Gah! How embarrassing! Thanks, Sadducee</em>.]</p>
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		<title>By: defensa</title>
		<link>http://galusaustralis.com/2009/10/1814/lobbying-the-left/#comment-4055</link>
		<dc:creator>defensa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 08:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fine then.

Speak to the Jewish News and see if they will publish the winning idea. This may be some incentive.  

You have the opportunity to do something. Seize it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fine then.</p>
<p>Speak to the Jewish News and see if they will publish the winning idea. This may be some incentive.  </p>
<p>You have the opportunity to do something. Seize it.</p>
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		<title>By: frosh</title>
		<link>http://galusaustralis.com/2009/10/1814/lobbying-the-left/#comment-4041</link>
		<dc:creator>frosh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 06:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Defensa,

This is an interesting article/thread, that I hope I&#039;ll get some time a little later to make a contribution to.

But just briefly, I agree with you that there are many such talented people within the Australian Jewish Community.

However, you mention &quot;...some interested and resourced parties.&quot; 

I&#039;m not sure how we could arrange this, even if we we wanted to.

Thus far, we have found that those parties that are interested are not that resourced, and those parties that are resourced are not that interested :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Defensa,</p>
<p>This is an interesting article/thread, that I hope I&#8217;ll get some time a little later to make a contribution to.</p>
<p>But just briefly, I agree with you that there are many such talented people within the Australian Jewish Community.</p>
<p>However, you mention &#8220;&#8230;some interested and resourced parties.&#8221; </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure how we could arrange this, even if we we wanted to.</p>
<p>Thus far, we have found that those parties that are interested are not that resourced, and those parties that are resourced are not that interested <img src='http://galusaustralis.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: The left tentatively uniting: Larry Stillman&#8217;s proposal &#171; Michael Brull</title>
		<link>http://galusaustralis.com/2009/10/1814/lobbying-the-left/#comment-4038</link>
		<dc:creator>The left tentatively uniting: Larry Stillman&#8217;s proposal &#171; Michael Brull</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 04:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] today Larry Stillman is in Galus Australis calling for some sort of J Street creation. He thinks people should start contributing a thousand dollars [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] today Larry Stillman is in Galus Australis calling for some sort of J Street creation. He thinks people should start contributing a thousand dollars [...]</p>
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