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	<title>Comments on: Academic boycotts of Israel are part of the problem not the solution</title>
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		<title>By: Galus Australis &#187; The effective answer to BDS is two states for two peoples</title>
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		<dc:creator>Galus Australis &#187; The effective answer to BDS is two states for two peoples</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jan 2011 11:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] To be sure, the core arguments of the BDS campaigners, which are based on a collective stereotyping of all Israelis, are easy to refute, and some of us have done so previously. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mohan replies</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mohan replies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Nov 2010 03:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no evidence of Israel&#039;s committment to a two state solution. All that is sen is talks, meetings, shelved agreements, road maps et al while the barier and settlements continue to expand as do exclusive roads and checkposts. Netanyahu is willing to halt new settlements for three months in excahnge for 25 or so military aircraft. This freeze will leave untouched buildings underway.

Another decade of such a &quot;peace process&quot; and there will be no Palestine left to speak of. A genocide (death of a nation) accomplished and there can be the new apologetics that it is &quot;too late&quot; to speak of peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no evidence of Israel&#8217;s committment to a two state solution. All that is sen is talks, meetings, shelved agreements, road maps et al while the barier and settlements continue to expand as do exclusive roads and checkposts. Netanyahu is willing to halt new settlements for three months in excahnge for 25 or so military aircraft. This freeze will leave untouched buildings underway.</p>
<p>Another decade of such a &#8220;peace process&#8221; and there will be no Palestine left to speak of. A genocide (death of a nation) accomplished and there can be the new apologetics that it is &#8220;too late&#8221; to speak of peace.</p>
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		<title>By: Jewish News October 16 &#171; Michael Brull</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jewish News October 16 &#171; Michael Brull</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and implicitly acts as the political arm of the settlers movement.&#8221; bit removed from his original piece. That&#8217;s not to say he removed it: I expect the AJN removed it, and he had no objection. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and implicitly acts as the political arm of the settlers movement.&#8221; bit removed from his original piece. That&#8217;s not to say he removed it: I expect the AJN removed it, and he had no objection. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Armenia, Age, AJDS, Australian &#171; Michael Brull</title>
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		<dc:creator>Armenia, Age, AJDS, Australian &#171; Michael Brull</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 11:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Galus Australis, I noticed that David Zyngier has come out in favour of a Gush Shalom style boycott of the occupied territories. So Dr Stillman’s suggestion to Dr Mendes (and others in the Jewish [...]</description>
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		<title>By: David Zyngier</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Zyngier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 11:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The acceptance by Jewish communities around the world, including Australia and Israel - of the suggested 
&lt;i&gt;&quot;two-state solution&quot;&lt;/i&gt; is a rather new phenomenon (post Yom Kippur War 1973) definitely, probably more likely post 1995 (after the assassination of Rabin).
Up until 1973 among Jews only the &lt;b&gt;Radical Zionist Left &lt;/b&gt;in Israel and the Diaspora supported such an idea. Security Council resolutions dating back to 1976 supporting the two state solution based on the pre-1967 lines were vetoed by the US as a permanent member. The idea has had overwhelming support in the UN General Assembly since the mid 1970s. (see &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-state_solution&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wikipedia&lt;/a&gt; for a reasonable history of the concept.)


While the support of a &lt;i&gt;two state solution &lt;/i&gt;appears on the surface to be fair and reasonable - for the current supporters of the proposal within the Jewish community here (but probably-possibly not Dr Mendes), it is actually a really hollow and empty gesture. 

As explained to me by a Palestinian peace activist in Melbourne (who accepts by 
the way&#160; the legitimacy of the State of Israel) unless such a proposition is accompanied by an acceptance of the illegality of &lt;b&gt;ALL&lt;/b&gt; Israeli colonization of the occupied West Bank since 1967, then indeed there can be only a hardening of the Palestinian position playing entirely into the hands of the fundamentalist Hamas &amp; Hizbollah and worse the Al-Qaeda supporters currently at war with Hamas in Gaza.


Therefore to be consistent as the &lt;i&gt;Sadducee &lt;/i&gt;above has tried to explain in relation to &lt;a href=&quot;http://friedensbewegung.zionismus.info/verhandlungen/un-181.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;UNGAR181&lt;/a&gt; and to comply with International Law in relation to military conquest Israel must either remove &lt;b&gt;ALL&lt;/b&gt; 
settlers and&#160; colonial settlements (Moshava or Yishuv the correct 
translation of the Hebrew&#160; &#1492;&#1497;&#1513;&#1493;&#1489; 
according to my Ben Yehuda Dictionary) are by &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_occupation&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;International Law&lt;/a&gt; deemed colonial outposts and must be removed or 
else Israel should leave the settlements where they are but their Jewish inhabitants can become citizens of Palestine just as there are 2 millions Palestinians who are citizens of Israel!


Appeals to the words of some holy covenant recorded by the hand of man (or woman) but supposedly transcribed verbatim somewhere in the Sinai Desert some 3 500 years ago from the mouth of an invisible and ineffable supreme being just doesn&#039;t &quot;cut the mustard&quot; in International Law.


So Dr Stillman&#039;s suggestion to Dr Mendes (and others in the Jewish Community) to follow the lead of one of the first proponents of the Bi-National State or No State Federation&#160;&#160; - &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uri_Avnery&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Uri Avneri&lt;/a&gt; (who incidentally was a member of the Ultra Right Irgun 
in his youth) to boycott all Israeli products and produce from &lt;b&gt;Occupied Palestine&lt;/b&gt; makes real sense. As Dr Stillman:
&lt;blockquote&gt;
	&#160;explains &lt;i&gt;the balance of power has continually been in Israel’s favour. Thus, compromise does not necessarily mean equal compromise, but in fact, that Israel may have to give away far more than Palestinians (and in particular, land and resources) to convince Palestinians that this time, it is serious about peace&lt;/i&gt;.

	
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
This is what my Palestinian friend asks for - a sign that we are genuine and not talking about some sort of weasel worded &lt;i&gt;compromise&lt;/i&gt; that will leave 350 000 fundamentalists who reject the notion of Palestinian nationhood and sovereignty occupying and dividing what is left of their homeland. And these 
settlers expand day by day - even expelling Palestinian families form their 
homes in East Jerusalem (see this weeks Jerusalem Report for pictures of the Umm 
Nassir family observing Ramadan on the pavement outside their former home which 
is unoccupied while&lt;i&gt; renovations &lt;/i&gt;take place - reducing any possibility of making a just settlement that acknowledges that both Palestinians and Jews have rights to national self determination 
(but &lt;b&gt;not&lt;/b&gt; at the expense of any other people&#039;s right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The acceptance by Jewish communities around the world, including Australia and Israel &#8211; of the suggested<br />
<i>&#8220;two-state solution&#8221;</i> is a rather new phenomenon (post Yom Kippur War 1973) definitely, probably more likely post 1995 (after the assassination of Rabin).<br />
Up until 1973 among Jews only the <b>Radical Zionist Left </b>in Israel and the Diaspora supported such an idea. Security Council resolutions dating back to 1976 supporting the two state solution based on the pre-1967 lines were vetoed by the US as a permanent member. The idea has had overwhelming support in the UN General Assembly since the mid 1970s. (see <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-state_solution" class="ext-link" rel="external" target="_blank">Wikipedia</a> for a reasonable history of the concept.)</p>
<p>While the support of a <i>two state solution </i>appears on the surface to be fair and reasonable &#8211; for the current supporters of the proposal within the Jewish community here (but probably-possibly not Dr Mendes), it is actually a really hollow and empty gesture. </p>
<p>As explained to me by a Palestinian peace activist in Melbourne (who accepts by<br />
the way&nbsp; the legitimacy of the State of Israel) unless such a proposition is accompanied by an acceptance of the illegality of <b>ALL</b> Israeli colonization of the occupied West Bank since 1967, then indeed there can be only a hardening of the Palestinian position playing entirely into the hands of the fundamentalist Hamas &amp; Hizbollah and worse the Al-Qaeda supporters currently at war with Hamas in Gaza.</p>
<p>Therefore to be consistent as the <i>Sadducee </i>above has tried to explain in relation to <a href="http://friedensbewegung.zionismus.info/verhandlungen/un-181.htm" class="ext-link" rel="external" target="_blank">UNGAR181</a> and to comply with International Law in relation to military conquest Israel must either remove <b>ALL</b><br />
settlers and&nbsp; colonial settlements (Moshava or Yishuv the correct<br />
translation of the Hebrew&nbsp; &#1492;&#1497;&#1513;&#1493;&#1489;<br />
according to my Ben Yehuda Dictionary) are by <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_occupation" class="ext-link" rel="external" target="_blank">International Law</a> deemed colonial outposts and must be removed or<br />
else Israel should leave the settlements where they are but their Jewish inhabitants can become citizens of Palestine just as there are 2 millions Palestinians who are citizens of Israel!</p>
<p>Appeals to the words of some holy covenant recorded by the hand of man (or woman) but supposedly transcribed verbatim somewhere in the Sinai Desert some 3 500 years ago from the mouth of an invisible and ineffable supreme being just doesn&#8217;t &#8220;cut the mustard&#8221; in International Law.</p>
<p>So Dr Stillman&#8217;s suggestion to Dr Mendes (and others in the Jewish Community) to follow the lead of one of the first proponents of the Bi-National State or No State Federation&nbsp;&nbsp; &#8211; <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uri_Avnery" class="ext-link" rel="external" target="_blank">Uri Avneri</a> (who incidentally was a member of the Ultra Right Irgun<br />
in his youth) to boycott all Israeli products and produce from <b>Occupied Palestine</b> makes real sense. As Dr Stillman:</p>
<blockquote><p>
	&nbsp;explains <i>the balance of power has continually been in Israel’s favour. Thus, compromise does not necessarily mean equal compromise, but in fact, that Israel may have to give away far more than Palestinians (and in particular, land and resources) to convince Palestinians that this time, it is serious about peace</i>.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>This is what my Palestinian friend asks for &#8211; a sign that we are genuine and not talking about some sort of weasel worded <i>compromise</i> that will leave 350 000 fundamentalists who reject the notion of Palestinian nationhood and sovereignty occupying and dividing what is left of their homeland. And these<br />
settlers expand day by day &#8211; even expelling Palestinian families form their<br />
homes in East Jerusalem (see this weeks Jerusalem Report for pictures of the Umm<br />
Nassir family observing Ramadan on the pavement outside their former home which<br />
is unoccupied while<i> renovations </i>take place &#8211; reducing any possibility of making a just settlement that acknowledges that both Palestinians and Jews have rights to national self determination<br />
(but <b>not</b> at the expense of any other people&#8217;s right.</p>
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		<title>By: philip mendes</title>
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		<dc:creator>philip mendes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 06:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After penning this article I noticed that Jake Lynch from CPACS had penned another article (6 October) on the Transcend website arguing again for an academic boycott. Perhaps realising that his original argument was based explicitly on ethnic stereotyping, he has now partly backtracked and suggested that only &quot;bad&quot; Israeli academics should be boycotted. He seems totally unaware that this very idea was proposed by the UK Association of University Teachers in 2005, and totally discredited in public argument.

This was because the offer to exempt “good” Israeli academics who condemned the policies of their own country and conformed to a test of political orthodoxy was an obvious example of McCarthyism. It also taps into a long history of radical Left anti-Semitism whereby a small number of unrepresentative token Jews (some would call them “Uncle Toms”) are opportunistically encouraged to exploit their own religious and cultural origins in order to vilify their own people. The radical Left would never employ such techniques against other historically oppressed groups.

So now Lynch is not only proposing a bad malevolent idea (the boycott), but obtuse strategies that have been demolished elsewhere. 

Philip Mendes</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After penning this article I noticed that Jake Lynch from CPACS had penned another article (6 October) on the Transcend website arguing again for an academic boycott. Perhaps realising that his original argument was based explicitly on ethnic stereotyping, he has now partly backtracked and suggested that only &#8220;bad&#8221; Israeli academics should be boycotted. He seems totally unaware that this very idea was proposed by the UK Association of University Teachers in 2005, and totally discredited in public argument.</p>
<p>This was because the offer to exempt “good” Israeli academics who condemned the policies of their own country and conformed to a test of political orthodoxy was an obvious example of McCarthyism. It also taps into a long history of radical Left anti-Semitism whereby a small number of unrepresentative token Jews (some would call them “Uncle Toms”) are opportunistically encouraged to exploit their own religious and cultural origins in order to vilify their own people. The radical Left would never employ such techniques against other historically oppressed groups.</p>
<p>So now Lynch is not only proposing a bad malevolent idea (the boycott), but obtuse strategies that have been demolished elsewhere. </p>
<p>Philip Mendes</p>
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		<title>By: TheSadducee</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheSadducee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 02:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chook

I put the question forward because people refer to UNGAR181 as a vehicle to provide legitimacy to aspects of their arguments eg. your own argument that the Arabs refused to accept it, the Jews did, if the Arabs had accepted all these problems could have been avoided etc.  

However the intentions of the Jews (Israel) can be tested because they did not (and have not) implemented the resolution at all.

It is fine to use the resolution as a source of legitimacy, but it is slightly hypocritical to ignore its contents, especially if you agreed to it.

ps I have no control over this site - was there something wrong with my spelling?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chook</p>
<p>I put the question forward because people refer to UNGAR181 as a vehicle to provide legitimacy to aspects of their arguments eg. your own argument that the Arabs refused to accept it, the Jews did, if the Arabs had accepted all these problems could have been avoided etc.  </p>
<p>However the intentions of the Jews (Israel) can be tested because they did not (and have not) implemented the resolution at all.</p>
<p>It is fine to use the resolution as a source of legitimacy, but it is slightly hypocritical to ignore its contents, especially if you agreed to it.</p>
<p>ps I have no control over this site &#8211; was there something wrong with my spelling?</p>
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		<title>By: Chook</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 02:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TheSadducee, with respect, asking how genuine they (I suspect you mean Israel) has no meaning. It&#039;s like asking if I won a million dollars would i give 1/2 to charity? Lets deal with reality and not with such un-testable issues. Despite all the other reasons, Israel would not have attacked its neigbours in 1948 knowing very well that they could loss.

PS anyway you could put a spellcheck in somehow, pease.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TheSadducee, with respect, asking how genuine they (I suspect you mean Israel) has no meaning. It&#8217;s like asking if I won a million dollars would i give 1/2 to charity? Lets deal with reality and not with such un-testable issues. Despite all the other reasons, Israel would not have attacked its neigbours in 1948 knowing very well that they could loss.</p>
<p>PS anyway you could put a spellcheck in somehow, pease.</p>
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		<title>By: TheSadducee</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheSadducee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 01:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eli

The problem with going back to 1947 is that other issues pop up which raise uncomfortable questions.  For example - just to address resolution 181 - you seem to have forgotten that the resolution proposal called for Jerusalem and Bethlehem to be regarded as neither Jewish nor Arab but rather an international zone controlled by the UN.

This was never implemented despite the Jewish authorities (later Israel) having agreed to it.  Noting this, one must ask the question about how genuine they were in implementing the resolution even if the Arabs had agreed to it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eli</p>
<p>The problem with going back to 1947 is that other issues pop up which raise uncomfortable questions.  For example &#8211; just to address resolution 181 &#8211; you seem to have forgotten that the resolution proposal called for Jerusalem and Bethlehem to be regarded as neither Jewish nor Arab but rather an international zone controlled by the UN.</p>
<p>This was never implemented despite the Jewish authorities (later Israel) having agreed to it.  Noting this, one must ask the question about how genuine they were in implementing the resolution even if the Arabs had agreed to it?</p>
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		<title>By: Chook</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 00:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spot on Eli: if the Arab states accepted the UN resolution of 1947 there would be no wars or occupations and poor old Antony Loewenstein would have to work to make a living. But what I really find silly is that prime minister Bibi (I can&#039;t be bother working out how to spell his real name), doesn&#039;t listen to president Obama,(much easier to spell), so what makes the Stillmans and Brulls of the world think they can have an influence. Loewenstein doesn&#039;t care as long as he can sell his books.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spot on Eli: if the Arab states accepted the UN resolution of 1947 there would be no wars or occupations and poor old Antony Loewenstein would have to work to make a living. But what I really find silly is that prime minister Bibi (I can&#8217;t be bother working out how to spell his real name), doesn&#8217;t listen to president Obama,(much easier to spell), so what makes the Stillmans and Brulls of the world think they can have an influence. Loewenstein doesn&#8217;t care as long as he can sell his books.</p>
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