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		<title>By: Leo Braun</title>
		<link>http://galusaustralis.com/2009/10/1920/letters-to-the-editor-3/#comment-4485</link>
		<dc:creator>Leo Braun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 03:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://galusaustralis.com/2009/10/letters-to-the-editor-3&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;Martin Buber: a model for Australian Zionists&quot;! [David Forbes]&lt;/a&gt;

• Are we&#039;re talking about the same person? Mentioned in Raimond Gaita&#039;s speech: &quot;I believe, that the concept of &#039;an indigenous inhabitant&#039; hinders rather than helps thinking justly about the &lt;a href=&quot;http://southjerusalem.com/2009/10/votes-are-not-enough-hillel-cohens-good-arabs&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;conflicting claims&lt;/a&gt; of Arabs and Jews to the same territory. And &lt;b&gt;in this connection it is important to remember something when one reads writers&lt;/b&gt; - Jacqueline Rose, for example - who advocate a one state solution and who enlist in their support earlier anti-state Zionists &lt;b&gt;like the theologian and philosopher, Martin Buber&quot;!&lt;/b&gt;

Who was able to combine Zionism with the ardent German patriotism during World War-I. In his book Drei Reden ueber das Judentum (published in 1911), Buber spoke of a youth who sensed: &quot;The immortality of generations, the community of blood&quot;! Which he felt were the: &quot;Antecedents of his I, the perseverance in the infinite past&quot;! Combined of discoveries and promoted awareness as such at the time: &quot;That blood was a deep-rooted nurturing force within the individual&quot;! Claimed as the: &quot;Deepest layers of human being to be determined by blood&quot;! Moreover that &quot;One&#039;s innermost thinking and will, were affected by it&quot;. 

Buber saw the world around him as: &quot;An ambience of influences and imprints, where blood was a realm&#039;s substance, admitting influences and imprints, a substance absorbing and assimilating all into its own form&quot;! Hence he concluded: &quot;Whoever faced a choice between the environment versus substance, and decides for substance, he henceforth will have to be a Jew truly from within. To live as a Jew with all the contradictions, all the tragedy and all the future within a promise of his blood&quot;!

As far as one can tell Jews have been in Europe for millenniums, far longer than say the Magyars, yet no one to dream of referring to Hungarians as Asiatics. But to Buber the Jews of Europe were still Asians and presumably always be. Complemented by his analogy: &quot;You could get a Jew out of Palestine, but you could never get Palestine out of the Jew&quot;! 

In 1916 he wrote that the &quot;Jew was driven out of his land and dispersed throughout the lands of the Occident. Yet despite all this, he has remained an Oriental. One to detect all of this in the utmost assimilated Jew, if one knows how to gain an access to his soul&quot;. &quot;The immortal Jew unitary drive will come into being, only after continuity of life in Palestine. Once it comes into contact with its maternal soil, it will revert to become creative again&quot;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://galusaustralis.com/2009/10/letters-to-the-editor-3" class="local-link">&#8220;Martin Buber: a model for Australian Zionists&#8221;! [David Forbes]</a></p>
<p>• Are we&#8217;re talking about the same person? Mentioned in Raimond Gaita&#8217;s speech: &#8220;I believe, that the concept of &#8216;an indigenous inhabitant&#8217; hinders rather than helps thinking justly about the <a href="http://southjerusalem.com/2009/10/votes-are-not-enough-hillel-cohens-good-arabs" class="ext-link" rel="external" target="_blank">conflicting claims</a> of Arabs and Jews to the same territory. And <b>in this connection it is important to remember something when one reads writers</b> &#8211; Jacqueline Rose, for example &#8211; who advocate a one state solution and who enlist in their support earlier anti-state Zionists <b>like the theologian and philosopher, Martin Buber&#8221;!</b></p>
<p>Who was able to combine Zionism with the ardent German patriotism during World War-I. In his book Drei Reden ueber das Judentum (published in 1911), Buber spoke of a youth who sensed: &#8220;The immortality of generations, the community of blood&#8221;! Which he felt were the: &#8220;Antecedents of his I, the perseverance in the infinite past&#8221;! Combined of discoveries and promoted awareness as such at the time: &#8220;That blood was a deep-rooted nurturing force within the individual&#8221;! Claimed as the: &#8220;Deepest layers of human being to be determined by blood&#8221;! Moreover that &#8220;One&#8217;s innermost thinking and will, were affected by it&#8221;. </p>
<p>Buber saw the world around him as: &#8220;An ambience of influences and imprints, where blood was a realm&#8217;s substance, admitting influences and imprints, a substance absorbing and assimilating all into its own form&#8221;! Hence he concluded: &#8220;Whoever faced a choice between the environment versus substance, and decides for substance, he henceforth will have to be a Jew truly from within. To live as a Jew with all the contradictions, all the tragedy and all the future within a promise of his blood&#8221;!</p>
<p>As far as one can tell Jews have been in Europe for millenniums, far longer than say the Magyars, yet no one to dream of referring to Hungarians as Asiatics. But to Buber the Jews of Europe were still Asians and presumably always be. Complemented by his analogy: &#8220;You could get a Jew out of Palestine, but you could never get Palestine out of the Jew&#8221;! </p>
<p>In 1916 he wrote that the &#8220;Jew was driven out of his land and dispersed throughout the lands of the Occident. Yet despite all this, he has remained an Oriental. One to detect all of this in the utmost assimilated Jew, if one knows how to gain an access to his soul&#8221;. &#8220;The immortal Jew unitary drive will come into being, only after continuity of life in Palestine. Once it comes into contact with its maternal soil, it will revert to become creative again&#8221;!</p>
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		<title>By: Chaim</title>
		<link>http://galusaustralis.com/2009/10/1920/letters-to-the-editor-3/#comment-4254</link>
		<dc:creator>Chaim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There will never be peace unless people realize there is also a religious aspect to the conflict. I dont see Hamas, Al Quaida Groups or even Religious Jewish groups thinking about the conflict only on your terms.

Interestingly the Lubavitcher Rebbe who was completely against giving up land said it was only because of Pikuach nefesh (learnt from Halacha regarding a border city being attacked) that we do NOT give back even an inch - which is exactly what happened - we were attacked even more from a closer distance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There will never be peace unless people realize there is also a religious aspect to the conflict. I dont see Hamas, Al Quaida Groups or even Religious Jewish groups thinking about the conflict only on your terms.</p>
<p>Interestingly the Lubavitcher Rebbe who was completely against giving up land said it was only because of Pikuach nefesh (learnt from Halacha regarding a border city being attacked) that we do NOT give back even an inch &#8211; which is exactly what happened &#8211; we were attacked even more from a closer distance.</p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
		<link>http://galusaustralis.com/2009/10/1920/letters-to-the-editor-3/#comment-4250</link>
		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ariel, interesting question. The Palestinians are native to the region and in terms of this particular piece of real estate, a prolonged period of settlement (at least hundreds of years) is probably sufficient to warrant the term (which we define rather subjectively) of native. I guess in this unusual circumstance we have two native peoples. As Buber says &quot;A land of two peoples&quot; each with moral and historical ties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ariel, interesting question. The Palestinians are native to the region and in terms of this particular piece of real estate, a prolonged period of settlement (at least hundreds of years) is probably sufficient to warrant the term (which we define rather subjectively) of native. I guess in this unusual circumstance we have two native peoples. As Buber says &#8220;A land of two peoples&#8221; each with moral and historical ties.</p>
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		<title>By: ariel</title>
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		<dc:creator>ariel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 07:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Henry, I should have clarified that what I meant was that his argument was accepted because at the time most of the democratic world were a) sorry for the Jews and b) more religious than today and hence had faith in the Bible</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Henry, I should have clarified that what I meant was that his argument was accepted because at the time most of the democratic world were a) sorry for the Jews and b) more religious than today and hence had faith in the Bible</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://galusaustralis.com/2009/10/1920/letters-to-the-editor-3/#comment-4248</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 06:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larry, it looks like Leibler is now lumping as &quot;fiendish enemies&quot; J-Street and Haaretz, amongst others. Paranoid in the extreme. I suspect if Leibler had been around in the 1930&#039;s, Buber who was associated with Judah Magnes&#039;s binationalist movement would have also been ranked as a &quot;fiendish enemy&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry, it looks like Leibler is now lumping as &#8220;fiendish enemies&#8221; J-Street and Haaretz, amongst others. Paranoid in the extreme. I suspect if Leibler had been around in the 1930&#8242;s, Buber who was associated with Judah Magnes&#8217;s binationalist movement would have also been ranked as a &#8220;fiendish enemy&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry Herzog</title>
		<link>http://galusaustralis.com/2009/10/1920/letters-to-the-editor-3/#comment-4244</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry Herzog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 05:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ariel, with the greatest respect, I love that story too, but the struggle for Israel began long before and was fought and won with much blood, sweat and tears, and not Ben Gurion holding up the Tahakh. That, by the way, happened at the UN and what a great friend the UN has turned out to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ariel, with the greatest respect, I love that story too, but the struggle for Israel began long before and was fought and won with much blood, sweat and tears, and not Ben Gurion holding up the Tahakh. That, by the way, happened at the UN and what a great friend the UN has turned out to be.</p>
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		<title>By: ariel</title>
		<link>http://galusaustralis.com/2009/10/1920/letters-to-the-editor-3/#comment-4243</link>
		<dc:creator>ariel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 04:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Henry, it&#039;s amazing that the Torah argument actually won us the State in the first place when David Ben Gurion held up the Tanakh and claimed that that Book was the Jewish People&#039;s deed and title to the Land of Israel...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Henry, it&#8217;s amazing that the Torah argument actually won us the State in the first place when David Ben Gurion held up the Tanakh and claimed that that Book was the Jewish People&#8217;s deed and title to the Land of Israel&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Henry Herzog</title>
		<link>http://galusaustralis.com/2009/10/1920/letters-to-the-editor-3/#comment-4241</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry Herzog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 02:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I forgot to include in my last comment .... if they can be found!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forgot to include in my last comment &#8230;. if they can be found!</p>
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		<title>By: Henry Herzog</title>
		<link>http://galusaustralis.com/2009/10/1920/letters-to-the-editor-3/#comment-4240</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry Herzog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 01:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because religion, by definition, is a belief system and not a rational, also by definition, argument, it is not revelent to the Middle East conflict; I mean, you can&#039;t convince someone who does not belief that Israel is ours because the Torah says so. But history is. What also is relevent is that Jews do need a homeland and because of our historical connection and continuing presence, allbeit small, Israel is ours. let the true peace makers work out the borders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because religion, by definition, is a belief system and not a rational, also by definition, argument, it is not revelent to the Middle East conflict; I mean, you can&#8217;t convince someone who does not belief that Israel is ours because the Torah says so. But history is. What also is relevent is that Jews do need a homeland and because of our historical connection and continuing presence, allbeit small, Israel is ours. let the true peace makers work out the borders.</p>
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		<title>By: Chaim</title>
		<link>http://galusaustralis.com/2009/10/1920/letters-to-the-editor-3/#comment-4239</link>
		<dc:creator>Chaim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 00:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>isn&#039;t it interesting how we define what is important to the topic / situation depending on our personal views...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>isn&#8217;t it interesting how we define what is important to the topic / situation depending on our personal views&#8230;</p>
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