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	<title>Comments on: The milchig-fleishig quandary and other Jewish and gastronomic medical observations</title>
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		<title>By: Galus Australis &#187; They Tried To Kill Us, We Survived, Let’s Overdose On Opioids</title>
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		<dc:creator>Galus Australis &#187; They Tried To Kill Us, We Survived, Let’s Overdose On Opioids</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 23:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and Jewish practice are in fact good for the Jews. Previous posts in the series can be found here, here, and here. This week she puts chagim under the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Galus Australis &#187; Why Brit Milah is Good for you and Davening can be Dangerous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Galus Australis &#187; Why Brit Milah is Good for you and Davening can be Dangerous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 07:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] week Liz investigates Jewish clothing and ritual. (You can find the other articles in this series here and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Hasid</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Hasid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love this!

Perfectly justifies my proclivity for lipid-rich, Jewish Eastern-European fare :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love this!</p>
<p>Perfectly justifies my proclivity for lipid-rich, Jewish Eastern-European fare <img src='http://galusaustralis.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: ariel</title>
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		<dc:creator>ariel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 04:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ittay, that&#039;s very interesting.

In fact there are and have been rabbanim who maintained vegetarian diets ostensibly for the reasons you give.
Rav Kook for example would only eat a &lt;I&gt;k&#039;zayit&lt;/I&gt; (olive size) of meat once a week on Shabbat in order to fulfill the requirements of the day. He recommended a vegetarian diet to his students.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ittay, that&#8217;s very interesting.</p>
<p>In fact there are and have been rabbanim who maintained vegetarian diets ostensibly for the reasons you give.<br />
Rav Kook for example would only eat a <i>k&#8217;zayit</i> (olive size) of meat once a week on Shabbat in order to fulfill the requirements of the day. He recommended a vegetarian diet to his students.</p>
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		<title>By: ittay</title>
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		<dc:creator>ittay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 01:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Liz,
There seems to be some evidence that the ideal Jewish diet actually involves no meat at all. This is based on the pasuk “See, I give you every seed- bearing plant that is upon
all the earth, and every tree that has seed-bearing
fruit; they shall be yours for food” (Genesis 1:29)” It is interesting to note that the pasuk does not read ““See, I give you every four legged creature that is upon all the earth for you to blend into meat pies or sausages”

Some rabbis talk about the eating of meat only being permitted only as a concession to human weakness, rather than as an ideal. Some rabbis also say that in the time of mashiach, the Jewish diet will again be vegetarian.
With this in mind, id be interested to hear your thoughts about whether the vegetarian or meat based diet is better for us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Liz,<br />
There seems to be some evidence that the ideal Jewish diet actually involves no meat at all. This is based on the pasuk “See, I give you every seed- bearing plant that is upon<br />
all the earth, and every tree that has seed-bearing<br />
fruit; they shall be yours for food” (Genesis 1:29)” It is interesting to note that the pasuk does not read ““See, I give you every four legged creature that is upon all the earth for you to blend into meat pies or sausages”</p>
<p>Some rabbis talk about the eating of meat only being permitted only as a concession to human weakness, rather than as an ideal. Some rabbis also say that in the time of mashiach, the Jewish diet will again be vegetarian.<br />
With this in mind, id be interested to hear your thoughts about whether the vegetarian or meat based diet is better for us.</p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 05:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael, I totally agree that mixing meat and milk is unlikely to result in iron deficiency in the average Australian given our abundant supply of iron sources. The authors of the article also agree with you, saying that only groups with increased iron requirements (children, teenagers and women at childbearing age) are likely to be affected in real life by the decreased absorption.

I find it interesting, however, that the Jewish food laws, evolving at a time when meat was possibly a rarer commodity, work to maximise the iron absorption per kilo of meat eaten. Another article, which I didn’t discuss because it was more discursive than experimental, suggested that historically in different cultures, meat-limiting food laws allowed women greater access to and shares of the meat (ie, they didn’t get it when the men got first dibs and they only got the scraps). So it seems like women are winning on a couple of counts with kashrut.

Re frosh’s pizza, there are 2 major kinds of iron – haem-iron (mainly the meat kind) and non-haem-iron (basically in vegies, ie the hypothetical mushroom pizza). The literature says both kinds of iron are affected by calcium, so it seems logical the cheese on the mushroom pizza could be having an effect. However, there are also ways to improve iron absorption – for example, having vitamin C at the same time – so maybe a glass of OJ could counteract the effect. Not to completely dictate your diet or anything!

And finally, thanks for the great reference Ariel, I’ll definitely be incorporating it :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, I totally agree that mixing meat and milk is unlikely to result in iron deficiency in the average Australian given our abundant supply of iron sources. The authors of the article also agree with you, saying that only groups with increased iron requirements (children, teenagers and women at childbearing age) are likely to be affected in real life by the decreased absorption.</p>
<p>I find it interesting, however, that the Jewish food laws, evolving at a time when meat was possibly a rarer commodity, work to maximise the iron absorption per kilo of meat eaten. Another article, which I didn’t discuss because it was more discursive than experimental, suggested that historically in different cultures, meat-limiting food laws allowed women greater access to and shares of the meat (ie, they didn’t get it when the men got first dibs and they only got the scraps). So it seems like women are winning on a couple of counts with kashrut.</p>
<p>Re frosh’s pizza, there are 2 major kinds of iron – haem-iron (mainly the meat kind) and non-haem-iron (basically in vegies, ie the hypothetical mushroom pizza). The literature says both kinds of iron are affected by calcium, so it seems logical the cheese on the mushroom pizza could be having an effect. However, there are also ways to improve iron absorption – for example, having vitamin C at the same time – so maybe a glass of OJ could counteract the effect. Not to completely dictate your diet or anything!</p>
<p>And finally, thanks for the great reference Ariel, I’ll definitely be incorporating it <img src='http://galusaustralis.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: ariel</title>
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		<dc:creator>ariel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 03:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kosher:
I worked for a time with an Indian fellow who, when I explained to him that Jews don&#039;t mix meat with dairy, was shocked. He explained to me that this was great and that in his religion (Hinduism) they are taught that mixing meat with dairy in the body is very unhealthy and creates physical as well as spiritual toxins.

Gefilte fish:
I&#039;m in trouble as it&#039;s my staple every Friday night

Vodka:
I don&#039;t like vodka at all, but I do love an occassional (read, frequent) scotch.
However, my Russian Jewish cleaners told me that the best cure for a cold/flu is to fill a glass (yes, 200-250mL!!) with vodka, to add a few good shakes of pepper and to guzzle the whole thing down in as few gulps as possible (ostensibly skulling). Then you lie down in bed and wake up 2 days later feeling like a million dollars!
I tried this once on a small scale when I had blocked sinuses. A shot of vodka with a bit of pepper cleared me up.

By the way Liz, you may like to have a look at this document on tefillin and acupunctre as part of your next piece on religious practice: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.koshertorah.com/PDF/tefilin.pdf&quot; title=&quot;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.koshertorah.com/PDF/tefilin.pdf&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kosher:<br />
I worked for a time with an Indian fellow who, when I explained to him that Jews don&#8217;t mix meat with dairy, was shocked. He explained to me that this was great and that in his religion (Hinduism) they are taught that mixing meat with dairy in the body is very unhealthy and creates physical as well as spiritual toxins.</p>
<p>Gefilte fish:<br />
I&#8217;m in trouble as it&#8217;s my staple every Friday night</p>
<p>Vodka:<br />
I don&#8217;t like vodka at all, but I do love an occassional (read, frequent) scotch.<br />
However, my Russian Jewish cleaners told me that the best cure for a cold/flu is to fill a glass (yes, 200-250mL!!) with vodka, to add a few good shakes of pepper and to guzzle the whole thing down in as few gulps as possible (ostensibly skulling). Then you lie down in bed and wake up 2 days later feeling like a million dollars!<br />
I tried this once on a small scale when I had blocked sinuses. A shot of vodka with a bit of pepper cleared me up.</p>
<p>By the way Liz, you may like to have a look at this document on tefillin and acupunctre as part of your next piece on religious practice: <a href="http://www.koshertorah.com/PDF/tefilin.pdf" title="" class="ext-link" rel="external" target="_blank">http://www.koshertorah.com/PDF/tefilin.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: frosh</title>
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		<dc:creator>frosh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 02:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Liz,

You wrote:

&quot;Swedish researchers found that calcium blocks the absorption of iron in your gut ...I n other words, you only get a little over half the nutritional value from your meat if there’s a slice of cheese lying on top of it.&quot;

So, I assume this would have ramifications for non-fleish eaters too.

For example, I am told that for vegetarians, mushrooms are one of the best sources of iron (at least that&#039;s what the mushroom board advertises: &#039;It&#039;s meat for vegetarians!&#039;).

Now it happens that my preferred form of eating mushrooms is finely chopped up and well cooked on a vegetarian pizza.  However, based on the findings you report, the cheese on the pizza is robbing me of the iron content.  Damn you cheese!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Liz,</p>
<p>You wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;Swedish researchers found that calcium blocks the absorption of iron in your gut &#8230;I n other words, you only get a little over half the nutritional value from your meat if there’s a slice of cheese lying on top of it.&#8221;</p>
<p>So, I assume this would have ramifications for non-fleish eaters too.</p>
<p>For example, I am told that for vegetarians, mushrooms are one of the best sources of iron (at least that&#8217;s what the mushroom board advertises: &#8216;It&#8217;s meat for vegetarians!&#8217;).</p>
<p>Now it happens that my preferred form of eating mushrooms is finely chopped up and well cooked on a vegetarian pizza.  However, based on the findings you report, the cheese on the pizza is robbing me of the iron content.  Damn you cheese!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 02:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It might be problematic to equate nutrition from meat to iron absorption. There are many sources of iron besides meat and I don&#039;t think anyone living in an industrialised country who eats meat (even with the 59% efficiency when you add calcium) will be deficient in iron.

It would be interesting to see how consuming milk and meat might affect absorption of other nutrients: for all we know it could hinder some while helping others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It might be problematic to equate nutrition from meat to iron absorption. There are many sources of iron besides meat and I don&#8217;t think anyone living in an industrialised country who eats meat (even with the 59% efficiency when you add calcium) will be deficient in iron.</p>
<p>It would be interesting to see how consuming milk and meat might affect absorption of other nutrients: for all we know it could hinder some while helping others.</p>
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