Comments on: Look Who’s Afraid of Free Speech Now http://galusaustralis.com/2009/12/2466/look-who%e2%80%99s-afraid-of-free-speech-now/ Jewish Life in the Antipodes Wed, 08 Feb 2012 08:23:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: frosh http://galusaustralis.com/2009/12/2466/look-who%e2%80%99s-afraid-of-free-speech-now/#comment-35350 frosh Fri, 13 May 2011 02:03:23 +0000 http://galusaustralis.com/?p=2466#comment-35350 Exhibit A) Here is an example of someone who wants to limit freedom of speech in an absurd fashion. http://galusaustralis.com/2011/05/4460/australian-in-line-for-al-qaeda-top-job/#comment-35317 Exhibit B) Here are a bunch of academics who misunderstand what the concept of freedom of speech is. http://www.jewishideasdaily.com/content/module/2011/5/12/main-feature/1/agitprop-in-america Exhibit A) Here is an example of someone who wants to limit freedom of speech in an absurd fashion.
http://galusaustralis.com/2011/05/4460/australian-in-line-for-al-qaeda-top-job/#comment-35317

Exhibit B) Here are a bunch of academics who misunderstand what the concept of freedom of speech is.
http://www.jewishideasdaily.com/content/module/2011/5/12/main-feature/1/agitprop-in-america

]]> By: TheSadducee http://galusaustralis.com/2009/12/2466/look-who%e2%80%99s-afraid-of-free-speech-now/#comment-5571 TheSadducee Tue, 15 Dec 2009 02:05:32 +0000 http://galusaustralis.com/?p=2466#comment-5571 Could be sdfaf, could be.  One of those mysteries of the universe best left for the puissant sages to consider. Could be sdfaf, could be.  One of those mysteries of the universe best left for the puissant sages to consider.

]]> By: sdfaf http://galusaustralis.com/2009/12/2466/look-who%e2%80%99s-afraid-of-free-speech-now/#comment-5570 sdfaf Tue, 15 Dec 2009 02:00:38 +0000 http://galusaustralis.com/?p=2466#comment-5570 maybe <strong><em>TheSadducee</em></strong>  (if that IS your real name), because there is no conspiracy, they are not hiding, and it is just one of those weird things people do on blogs. maybe TheSadducee  (if that IS your real name), because there is no conspiracy, they are not hiding, and it is just one of those weird things people do on blogs.

]]> By: TheSadducee http://galusaustralis.com/2009/12/2466/look-who%e2%80%99s-afraid-of-free-speech-now/#comment-5562 TheSadducee Mon, 14 Dec 2009 23:43:24 +0000 http://galusaustralis.com/?p=2466#comment-5562 frosh My bad - what I should have written was that it is not impossible to determine who tobybee is - their website reveals it inadvertantly.  I'm sure they do value their anonymity, but for what purpose when you can work out who they are is a mystery to me. frosh

My bad – what I should have written was that it is not impossible to determine who tobybee is – their website reveals it inadvertantly. 

I’m sure they do value their anonymity, but for what purpose when you can work out who they are is a mystery to me.

]]> By: frosh http://galusaustralis.com/2009/12/2466/look-who%e2%80%99s-afraid-of-free-speech-now/#comment-5523 frosh Fri, 11 Dec 2009 06:22:00 +0000 http://galusaustralis.com/?p=2466#comment-5523 Sadducee, Last time I looked (which was when we wrote the article), I didn't notice any disclosure of the names of the bloggers. You may notice that when they have left comments, they both have the monster icon that is produced when a commenter does enter an email address - hence further reinforcing in my mind that their intention was to be completely anonymous. Sadducee,

Last time I looked (which was when we wrote the article), I didn’t notice any disclosure of the names of the bloggers.

You may notice that when they have left comments, they both have the monster icon that is produced when a commenter does enter an email address – hence further reinforcing in my mind that their intention was to be completely anonymous.

]]> By: TheSadducee http://galusaustralis.com/2009/12/2466/look-who%e2%80%99s-afraid-of-free-speech-now/#comment-5519 TheSadducee Fri, 11 Dec 2009 04:09:33 +0000 http://galusaustralis.com/?p=2466#comment-5519 Frosh, tobybee isn't actually truly anonymous - she actually indicates who she is on her website. not quite sure who anzya is though (hasn't bragged about their academic studies as much as tobybee)  Frosh,

tobybee isn’t actually truly anonymous - she actually indicates who she is on her website.

not quite sure who anzya is though (hasn’t bragged about their academic studies as much as tobybee) 

]]> By: TheSadducee http://galusaustralis.com/2009/12/2466/look-who%e2%80%99s-afraid-of-free-speech-now/#comment-5448 TheSadducee Tue, 08 Dec 2009 11:27:07 +0000 http://galusaustralis.com/?p=2466#comment-5448 anzya Thanks - perhaps I took something different from the novel than you did rather than missed the point?  (Presumably "the point" is your particular interpretation?)  Maybe that might be because I come from a completely different "space" from yours with a different education, history, culture, belief system, socio-economic circumstances etc - but eh, don't let those sort of considerations get in the way of your arbitrating what is "the point" of novels.  Do you jump to those sort of conclusions often or have I just irked you into rashness? :)   anzya

Thanks - perhaps I took something different from the novel than you did rather than missed the point?  (Presumably “the point” is your particular interpretation?) 

Maybe that might be because I come from a completely different “space” from yours with a different education, history, culture, belief system, socio-economic circumstances etc – but eh, don’t let those sort of considerations get in the way of your arbitrating what is ”the point” of novels.  Do you jump to those sort of conclusions often or have I just irked you into rashness? :)

 

]]> By: frosh http://galusaustralis.com/2009/12/2466/look-who%e2%80%99s-afraid-of-free-speech-now/#comment-5447 frosh Tue, 08 Dec 2009 11:25:53 +0000 http://galusaustralis.com/?p=2466#comment-5447 Hi Anzya, I have <em>engaged </em>with Ra - if you can't see that, then it is you who is in need of the course in basic English. Furthermore, I have made no "demands" on what type of comments people can make. I have merely asked people what they think of an issue - and clearly, it is you who have refused to <em>engage </em>this issue. It's easy to dish out stupid and childish insults (as you have done here) when you are anonymous. People might take your insults slightly more seriously if you actually used your real name, or at least provided a legitimate email address. The same principle is applicable to your blog. There is little authority in anonymity. Hi Anzya,

I have engaged with Ra – if you can’t see that, then it is you who is in need of the course in basic English.

Furthermore, I have made no “demands” on what type of comments people can make. I have merely asked people what they think of an issue – and clearly, it is you who have refused to engage this issue.

It’s easy to dish out stupid and childish insults (as you have done here) when you are anonymous. People might take your insults slightly more seriously if you actually used your real name, or at least provided a legitimate email address. The same principle is applicable to your blog. There is little authority in anonymity.

]]> By: anzya http://galusaustralis.com/2009/12/2466/look-who%e2%80%99s-afraid-of-free-speech-now/#comment-5444 anzya Tue, 08 Dec 2009 10:56:57 +0000 http://galusaustralis.com/?p=2466#comment-5444 Frosh, Ra has made some pretty sound arguments here. If you’re not willing to engage with ra, or any of the other commenters who are critical of your post, it doesn’t really lend much to your professed dedication to free speech. If what you really wanted to talk about in this post was, as you say, “violent denial of freedom of expression in Europe” then that’s really not clear from what you wrote. A cursory glance shows you have one paragraph about Europe, one much longer paragraph about UC Berkley, and the rest of the blog is focussed on Australia (the longest of which focuses on JoT).  Anyone’s who’s done basic high-school English (or not even) can see that. Maybe you should work on your writing style rather than expect readers to guess what you were thinking. What’s more, as the author of the post, isn’t it your role to respond to what your commenters take from your piece? Not to demand what comments people make?? And Saducee, you may have read 1984, but you’ve clearly missed the point.   Frosh, Ra has made some pretty sound arguments here. If you’re not willing to engage with ra, or any of the other commenters who are critical of your post, it doesn’t really lend much to your professed dedication to free speech.
If what you really wanted to talk about in this post was, as you say, “violent denial of freedom of expression in Europe” then that’s really not clear from what you wrote. A cursory glance shows you have one paragraph about Europe, one much longer paragraph about UC Berkley, and the rest of the blog is focussed on Australia (the longest of which focuses on JoT).  Anyone’s who’s done basic high-school English (or not even) can see that. Maybe you should work on your writing style rather than expect readers to guess what you were thinking.
What’s more, as the author of the post, isn’t it your role to respond to what your commenters take from your piece? Not to demand what comments people make??
And Saducee, you may have read 1984, but you’ve clearly missed the point.
 

]]> By: TheSadducee http://galusaustralis.com/2009/12/2466/look-who%e2%80%99s-afraid-of-free-speech-now/#comment-5423 TheSadducee Mon, 07 Dec 2009 22:49:30 +0000 http://galusaustralis.com/?p=2466#comment-5423 ra Thanks for spinning my comments completely out of the reality of what they were trying to convey. Anyways, going back to "1984" - reading your comments I feel like I've been placed in Room 101 and are being tortured by my own worst nightmare - considering your failures in reading comprehension being articulated in writing by you. frosh violent denial of freedom of expression (reasonable) is contemptible.  I suspect that the people involved have internalised the belief that the alternative discourse has no right to exist and consequently it is of benefit to others to actually prevent their rivals from articulating it.  It is quite bizarre when you consider that often this resolves around the concept of an injustice (perceived) and yet they are willing to commit injustice themselves i.e. the ends justifies the means type of mentality. ra

Thanks for spinning my comments completely out of the reality of what they were trying to convey.

Anyways, going back to “1984″ – reading your comments I feel like I’ve been placed in Room 101 and are being tortured by my own worst nightmare – considering your failures in reading comprehension being articulated in writing by you.

frosh
violent denial of freedom of expression (reasonable) is contemptible.  I suspect that the people involved have internalised the belief that the alternative discourse has no right to exist and consequently it is of benefit to others to actually prevent their rivals from articulating it. 

It is quite bizarre when you consider that often this resolves around the concept of an injustice (perceived) and yet they are willing to commit injustice themselves i.e. the ends justifies the means type of mentality.

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