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		<title>By: Henry Herzog</title>
		<link>http://galusaustralis.com/2010/01/2613/religion-necessary-god-optional/#comment-6091</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry Herzog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 04:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ariel, the ram would have preferred that G&#039;d wasn&#039;t such a comedian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ariel, the ram would have preferred that G&#8217;d wasn&#8217;t such a comedian.</p>
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		<title>By: ariel</title>
		<link>http://galusaustralis.com/2010/01/2613/religion-necessary-god-optional/#comment-6090</link>
		<dc:creator>ariel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 02:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Henry, you remind me of Woody Allen&#039;s commentary on the &lt;em&gt;Akeida&lt;/em&gt; (Binding of Isaac).

He details in length and with passion the entire episode and at the last second he declares that the angel calls out &quot;Abraham, Abraham! What&#039;s the matter? Can&#039;t you take a joke?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Henry, you remind me of Woody Allen&#8217;s commentary on the <em>Akeida</em> (Binding of Isaac).</p>
<p>He details in length and with passion the entire episode and at the last second he declares that the angel calls out &#8220;Abraham, Abraham! What&#8217;s the matter? Can&#8217;t you take a joke?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Henry Herzog</title>
		<link>http://galusaustralis.com/2010/01/2613/religion-necessary-god-optional/#comment-6083</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry Herzog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 05:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P. S.  We Jews haven&#039;t stopped wondering, about everything, since we left Egypt. You see, life, G&#039;d, religion, it&#039;s all one big metaphor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P. S.  We Jews haven&#8217;t stopped wondering, about everything, since we left Egypt. You see, life, G&#8217;d, religion, it&#8217;s all one big metaphor.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry Herzog</title>
		<link>http://galusaustralis.com/2010/01/2613/religion-necessary-god-optional/#comment-6082</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry Herzog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 05:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or to put  more simply, and as my late Father used to say,  heaven is what you make  life here on earth. 

And didn&#039;t Hillel once say that Judaism is all about not doing to others that you would not want to be done to you?

Collective memory? I don&#039;t know; I would rather call it common descency. And rituals? well, that&#039;s like supporting your football club.

In regard to there being a Creator, Woody Allen has explored that to the fullest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or to put  more simply, and as my late Father used to say,  heaven is what you make  life here on earth. </p>
<p>And didn&#8217;t Hillel once say that Judaism is all about not doing to others that you would not want to be done to you?</p>
<p>Collective memory? I don&#8217;t know; I would rather call it common descency. And rituals? well, that&#8217;s like supporting your football club.</p>
<p>In regard to there being a Creator, Woody Allen has explored that to the fullest.</p>
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		<title>By: rachsd</title>
		<link>http://galusaustralis.com/2010/01/2613/religion-necessary-god-optional/#comment-6035</link>
		<dc:creator>rachsd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:58:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If belief in God is the centre of religion, it begs the question: what type of belief, what type of God?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Even within the Jewish tradition alone, there are many ideas as to what God is, and what belief entails, ranging from rationalist to mystical. Judaism is much less prescriptive regarding what one should believe, than in regards to how to &lt;em&gt;act&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;From my point of view, this is a great advantage for Judaism: it means that there is a great deal of freedom of thought and conscience which means that individuals can hold different ideas of God within the same tradition but also means that a person can develop different ideas of God throughout their lifetime. At least in theory, this freedom should also be a good facilitator for the development of ideas about God.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If belief in God is the centre of religion, it begs the question: what type of belief, what type of God?</p>
<p>Even within the Jewish tradition alone, there are many ideas as to what God is, and what belief entails, ranging from rationalist to mystical. Judaism is much less prescriptive regarding what one should believe, than in regards to how to <em>act</em>.</p>
<p>From my point of view, this is a great advantage for Judaism: it means that there is a great deal of freedom of thought and conscience which means that individuals can hold different ideas of God within the same tradition but also means that a person can develop different ideas of God throughout their lifetime. At least in theory, this freedom should also be a good facilitator for the development of ideas about God.</p>
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		<title>By: ariel</title>
		<link>http://galusaustralis.com/2010/01/2613/religion-necessary-god-optional/#comment-6032</link>
		<dc:creator>ariel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 06:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harold brings an interesting idea that &quot;It seems to me that there is an etiquette in the modern orthodox community that avoids asking questions such as “Do you believe in God?”&quot;
I once heard a Modern Orthodox rabbi lament how many Jews answer yes to this question and similarly, answer &quot;yes&quot; to the question &quot;Do you make kiddush on Friday night?&quot;
But when asked &quot;Why do you make kiddush on Friday night?&quot;, they answer &quot;tradition&quot; or &quot;custom&quot; without realsing that for a Jew, the reason behind kiddush is ultimately G-d.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harold brings an interesting idea that &#8220;It seems to me that there is an etiquette in the modern orthodox community that avoids asking questions such as “Do you believe in God?”&#8221;<br />
I once heard a Modern Orthodox rabbi lament how many Jews answer yes to this question and similarly, answer &#8220;yes&#8221; to the question &#8220;Do you make kiddush on Friday night?&#8221;<br />
But when asked &#8220;Why do you make kiddush on Friday night?&#8221;, they answer &#8220;tradition&#8221; or &#8220;custom&#8221; without realsing that for a Jew, the reason behind kiddush is ultimately G-d.</p>
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		<title>By: Chaim</title>
		<link>http://galusaustralis.com/2010/01/2613/religion-necessary-god-optional/#comment-6029</link>
		<dc:creator>Chaim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 00:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, I am currently and temporarily living in the USA and what blew me away from the moment I stepped in the country was how pervasive patriotism and  religion were (and how interconnected they were).
 
Yet in the US and I daresay in American Christianity (from my experience), religion is essentially only about faith as opposed to Judaism, as we know it, which is essentially about deed. This is evident from the multitude of scandals involving religious, conservative politicians or leaders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, I am currently and temporarily living in the USA and what blew me away from the moment I stepped in the country was how pervasive patriotism and  religion were (and how interconnected they were).<br />
 <br />
Yet in the US and I daresay in American Christianity (from my experience), religion is essentially only about faith as opposed to Judaism, as we know it, which is essentially about deed. This is evident from the multitude of scandals involving religious, conservative politicians or leaders.</p>
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		<title>By: Chaim</title>
		<link>http://galusaustralis.com/2010/01/2613/religion-necessary-god-optional/#comment-6027</link>
		<dc:creator>Chaim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 23:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was my point - it is not about the beliefs themselves but rather how that belief affects your life particularly your actions and relationships. Jonathon Sacks discusses this well regarding faith and comparing it to love...
 
The story I tagged above proved to me that this guy did not believe in G-d, only himself and his desires whereas the one Harold brought shows how beliefs totally effect this Rebbe&#039;s life in a physical and practical way for good.
 
The benefit of the actual belief in G-d in my opinion is that you can believe that you can reach extraordinary heights and  abilities compared to if you thought that you were limited by your &quot;self&quot;.
 
By reaching and relying on something far greater than yourself, you overestimate your abilities but actually accomplish far more than you or anyone would have thought was possible.
 
 
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was my point &#8211; it is not about the beliefs themselves but rather how that belief affects your life particularly your actions and relationships. Jonathon Sacks discusses this well regarding faith and comparing it to love&#8230;<br />
 <br />
The story I tagged above proved to me that this guy did not believe in G-d, only himself and his desires whereas the one Harold brought shows how beliefs totally effect this Rebbe&#8217;s life in a physical and practical way for good.<br />
 <br />
The benefit of the actual belief in G-d in my opinion is that you can believe that you can reach extraordinary heights and  abilities compared to if you thought that you were limited by your &#8220;self&#8221;.<br />
 <br />
By reaching and relying on something far greater than yourself, you overestimate your abilities but actually accomplish far more than you or anyone would have thought was possible.<br />
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		<title>By: Harold Zwier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harold Zwier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 23:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The article I wrote may be of general interest, but is not specifically aimed at people who are certain about their faith in a personal God. It seems to me that there is an etiquette in the modern orthodox community that avoids asking questions such as &quot;Do you believe in God?&quot;. Yet this question, together with the answer &quot;yes&quot; is regarded as an essential component of the US political system.

But in our community the name we acquire is based on our perceived contribution to the community in which we live - not on statements of belief. The article does not advocate the abandonment of faith, rather it tries to explore the complexity and diversity of our engagement with religion.

Collective memory is not a series of factual recollections of our history. It is an all embracing collective process that turns an infant born to Jewish parents, into a Jew in a Jewish community with an awareness of all the preceding generations. In that process, the unique individuality of each person dominates their interaction with the community and how they contribute to the generations that follow.

There are a couple of stories that influenced my thoughts about the issue of religion, collective memory and God. One of them is about the greatest apikoris in the world and a maskil who wanted to learn at his feet. The other is a story by I.L Peretz, &quot;Oyb Nit Hekher&quot; (If Not Higher),  which, I am told came from an earlier chasidic story (I got this version from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.myjewishlearning.com/culture/2/Literature/Yiddish_and_Ladino/European_Writing/IL_Peretz.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.myjewishlearning.com/culture/2/Literature/
Yiddish_and_Ladino/European_Writing/IL_Peretz.shtml&lt;/a&gt;):

This is the story of a Litvak--a skeptical Lithuania Jew--who is determined to disprove the fervent belief of the Hasidim of Nemirov that their charismatic rebbe ascends to heaven during the Ten Days of Penitence to plead with God on their behalf. Sneaking into the Nemirov rabbi&#039;s room one night and hiding under his bed, the Litvak sees the rabbi arising before dawn, dressing himself in peasant clothes and going into the woods. There the rabbi chops up a tree with an axe and takes the bundle of wood to the broken-down shack of a sick, old woman. Pretending to be Vasil, a peasant, he brings the wood inside and proceeds to make a fire in the oven. And as he puts each stick of wood into the oven, he recites a part of the day&#039;s &lt;em&gt;selichos&lt;/em&gt; or penitential prayers. After witnessing this anonymous act of charity, the Litvak becomes a disciple of the rabbi, and thereafter, whenever he hears a Hasid mention that during the Ten Days of Penitence the rabbi of Nemirov goes up to heaven, the Litvak adds quietly, &quot;if not higher.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article I wrote may be of general interest, but is not specifically aimed at people who are certain about their faith in a personal God. It seems to me that there is an etiquette in the modern orthodox community that avoids asking questions such as &#8220;Do you believe in God?&#8221;. Yet this question, together with the answer &#8220;yes&#8221; is regarded as an essential component of the US political system.</p>
<p>But in our community the name we acquire is based on our perceived contribution to the community in which we live &#8211; not on statements of belief. The article does not advocate the abandonment of faith, rather it tries to explore the complexity and diversity of our engagement with religion.</p>
<p>Collective memory is not a series of factual recollections of our history. It is an all embracing collective process that turns an infant born to Jewish parents, into a Jew in a Jewish community with an awareness of all the preceding generations. In that process, the unique individuality of each person dominates their interaction with the community and how they contribute to the generations that follow.</p>
<p>There are a couple of stories that influenced my thoughts about the issue of religion, collective memory and God. One of them is about the greatest apikoris in the world and a maskil who wanted to learn at his feet. The other is a story by I.L Peretz, &#8220;Oyb Nit Hekher&#8221; (If Not Higher),  which, I am told came from an earlier chasidic story (I got this version from <a href="http://www.myjewishlearning.com/culture/2/Literature/Yiddish_and_Ladino/European_Writing/IL_Peretz.shtml" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.myjewishlearning.com/culture/2/Literature/" rel="nofollow">http://www.myjewishlearning.com/culture/2/Literature/</a><br />
Yiddish_and_Ladino/European_Writing/IL_Peretz.shtml):</p>
<p>This is the story of a Litvak&#8211;a skeptical Lithuania Jew&#8211;who is determined to disprove the fervent belief of the Hasidim of Nemirov that their charismatic rebbe ascends to heaven during the Ten Days of Penitence to plead with God on their behalf. Sneaking into the Nemirov rabbi&#8217;s room one night and hiding under his bed, the Litvak sees the rabbi arising before dawn, dressing himself in peasant clothes and going into the woods. There the rabbi chops up a tree with an axe and takes the bundle of wood to the broken-down shack of a sick, old woman. Pretending to be Vasil, a peasant, he brings the wood inside and proceeds to make a fire in the oven. And as he puts each stick of wood into the oven, he recites a part of the day&#8217;s <em>selichos</em> or penitential prayers. After witnessing this anonymous act of charity, the Litvak becomes a disciple of the rabbi, and thereafter, whenever he hears a Hasid mention that during the Ten Days of Penitence the rabbi of Nemirov goes up to heaven, the Litvak adds quietly, &#8220;if not higher.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Eli</title>
		<link>http://galusaustralis.com/2010/01/2613/religion-necessary-god-optional/#comment-6023</link>
		<dc:creator>Eli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 17:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a thought. If  I believe in G-d does that make me religious? Perhaps it should be G-d necessary, religion optional</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a thought. If  I believe in G-d does that make me religious? Perhaps it should be G-d necessary, religion optional</p>
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