Comments on: The NIF controversy – a chance for closure http://galusaustralis.com/2010/02/2684/the-nif-controversy-a-chance-for-closure/ Jewish Life in the Antipodes Wed, 08 Feb 2012 08:23:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Galus Australis » NIF Australia Rolls out its Zionist Credentials http://galusaustralis.com/2010/02/2684/the-nif-controversy-a-chance-for-closure/#comment-35266 Galus Australis » NIF Australia Rolls out its Zionist Credentials Thu, 12 May 2011 10:18:44 +0000 http://galusaustralis.com/?p=2684#comment-35266 [...] The NIF Controversy, a Chance for Closure [...] [...] The NIF Controversy, a Chance for Closure [...]

]]> By: Chaim http://galusaustralis.com/2010/02/2684/the-nif-controversy-a-chance-for-closure/#comment-6917 Chaim Tue, 02 Mar 2010 02:20:41 +0000 http://galusaustralis.com/?p=2684#comment-6917 FYI   http://www.ngo-monitor.org/article/israeli_apartheid_week_ngo_involvement     <a href="http://www.ngo-monitor.org/article/israeli_apartheid_week_ngo_involvement" rel="nofollow"><strong>Israeli Apartheid Week: NGO Connections and their EU/NIF Funders</strong></a> Pro-Palestinian activists have organized events for “Israeli Apartheid Week” (IAW -- March 1-14) on college campuses and in major cities in the United States, Canada, and Europe. Since 2005, IAW has been a powerful forum for exploiting “apartheid” allegations to demonize and delegitimize Israel, and to advance the boycotts, divestment, and sanctions (BDS) campaign. BDS is the core of the “Durban strategy,” formulated at the NGO Forum of the UN’s 2001 Durban Conference. NGO Monitor’s research reveals that many of the speakers listed for the 2010 events are officials of NGOs funded by European governments, including the European Commission and the New Israel Fund. FYI
 
http://www.ngo-monitor.org/article/israeli_apartheid_week_ngo_involvement
 
 

Israeli Apartheid Week: NGO Connections and their EU/NIF Funders
Pro-Palestinian activists have organized events for “Israeli Apartheid Week” (IAW — March 1-14) on college campuses and in major cities in the United States, Canada, and Europe. Since 2005, IAW has been a powerful forum for exploiting “apartheid” allegations to demonize and delegitimize Israel, and to advance the boycotts, divestment, and sanctions (BDS) campaign. BDS is the core of the “Durban strategy,” formulated at the NGO Forum of the UN’s 2001 Durban Conference.

NGO Monitor’s research reveals that many of the speakers listed for the 2010 events are officials of NGOs funded by European governments, including the European Commission and the New Israel Fund.

]]> By: Steve Brook http://galusaustralis.com/2010/02/2684/the-nif-controversy-a-chance-for-closure/#comment-6897 Steve Brook Sun, 28 Feb 2010 04:55:16 +0000 http://galusaustralis.com/?p=2684#comment-6897 Dear Reality Check, I've said this before. Any goal other than two states for two peoples is just pie in the sky. A single multi-ethnic state goal fails to take into account the ACTUAL mindset of Israeli Jews and Arabs. In general, people on neither side would agree to lose their identity. A move towards a single state might have more traction at some time in the distant future when the two populations are more at ease with each other, but not yet. There are too many bitter feelings about past and continuing dispossession. The Jews remember their history, and so do the Palestinian Arabs. Dear Reality Check,

I’ve said this before. Any goal other than two states for two peoples is just pie in the sky. A single multi-ethnic state goal fails to take into account the ACTUAL mindset of Israeli Jews and Arabs. In general, people on neither side would agree to lose their identity. A move towards a single state might have more traction at some time in the distant future when the two populations are more at ease with each other, but not yet. There are too many bitter feelings about past and continuing dispossession. The Jews remember their history, and so do the Palestinian Arabs.

]]> By: Reality Check http://galusaustralis.com/2010/02/2684/the-nif-controversy-a-chance-for-closure/#comment-6896 Reality Check Sun, 28 Feb 2010 03:47:58 +0000 http://galusaustralis.com/?p=2684#comment-6896 Chaim, just two more questions and I'll leave it alone, OK.  You not believing in a two state solution: Does not mean that you agree with Loewenstein and his friends; namely, the end of Israel as a Jewish state, or does Israel continue to rule over the 2 million or so Palestinians who can't vote in Israeli elections? Or does Israel transport those Palestinians from the west bank over the Jordon River, or give the west bank to Jordon? I mean, how would you implement a one state solution? Sorry, that's three questions.   frosh, what I was implying, Chaim answered for me. It would be nice if we could change reality and Iran was Persia again, but we can't. Chaim, just two more questions and I’ll leave it alone, OK.  You not believing in a two state solution: Does not mean that you agree with Loewenstein and his friends; namely, the end of Israel as a Jewish state, or does Israel continue to rule over the 2 million or so Palestinians who can’t vote in Israeli elections? Or does Israel transport those Palestinians from the west bank over the Jordon River, or give the west bank to Jordon? I mean, how would you implement a one state solution? Sorry, that’s three questions.
 
frosh, what I was implying, Chaim answered for me. It would be nice if we could change reality and Iran was Persia again, but we can’t.

]]> By: Chaim http://galusaustralis.com/2010/02/2684/the-nif-controversy-a-chance-for-closure/#comment-6875 Chaim Fri, 26 Feb 2010 11:15:47 +0000 http://galusaustralis.com/?p=2684#comment-6875 I agree Frosh. That is why I wrote it.  ALL of my non Jewish Muslim friends  from Iran (only about 5) call themselves Persians which is why I wrote it - to give them respect.   I do not believe in a two state solution unless you consider the majority of Palestine which is Jordan. The security fence is only an  inadequate defense system.   I am not going to argue further on this topic as I have seen people like you are so stuck in their absurd beliefs and sense of FALSE reality - it is a waste of my time.   Have a good Shabbos.   I agree Frosh. That is why I wrote it.  ALL of my non Jewish Muslim friends  from Iran (only about 5) call themselves Persians which is why I wrote it – to give them respect.
 
I do not believe in a two state solution unless you consider the majority of Palestine which is Jordan. The security fence is only an  inadequate defense system.
 
I am not going to argue further on this topic as I have seen people like you are so stuck in their absurd beliefs and sense of FALSE reality – it is a waste of my time.
 
Have a good Shabbos.
 

]]> By: frosh http://galusaustralis.com/2010/02/2684/the-nif-controversy-a-chance-for-closure/#comment-6868 frosh Fri, 26 Feb 2010 03:37:07 +0000 http://galusaustralis.com/?p=2684#comment-6868 Reality Check, Most Persians I have known prefer to be called Persians, and not Iranians. What were you implying? Your level of antagonism is unhelpful. Reality Check,

Most Persians I have known prefer to be called Persians, and not Iranians.

What were you implying?

Your level of antagonism is unhelpful.

]]> By: Reality Check http://galusaustralis.com/2010/02/2684/the-nif-controversy-a-chance-for-closure/#comment-6866 Reality Check Fri, 26 Feb 2010 02:03:38 +0000 http://galusaustralis.com/?p=2684#comment-6866 I am glad to hear it Chaim, your friendship with Muslims, Palestinians, Arabs and Persians, not Iranians,  that's really great. Now I want you to go to Israel and the west bank, explain to them the settlements and the security fence and give them your idea of a two state solution. Let me know how you go, oh you've had enough of me:  Already, already. I am glad to hear it Chaim, your friendship with Muslims, Palestinians, Arabs and Persians, not Iranians,  that’s really great. Now I want you to go to Israel and the west bank, explain to them the settlements and the security fence and give them your idea of a two state solution.

Let me know how you go, oh you’ve had enough of me:  Already, already.

]]> By: Chaim http://galusaustralis.com/2010/02/2684/the-nif-controversy-a-chance-for-closure/#comment-6865 Chaim Fri, 26 Feb 2010 00:21:36 +0000 http://galusaustralis.com/?p=2684#comment-6865 RC: We have enough of you already.   I do not hate Muslims, Arabs, Palestinians, Persians etc   I work and are friends with plenty and they are always apologizing for the actions of Hamas and co.   Yet I know that solution will be when they put down their weapons and want peace or the violent thugs or terrorists are annihilated. There are plenty of reformed terrorists Tass Saada, Kamal Saleem etc so they really do not have to die. It is their choice.   RC: We have enough of you already.
 
I do not hate Muslims, Arabs, Palestinians, Persians etc
 
I work and are friends with plenty and they are always apologizing for the actions of Hamas and co.
 
Yet I know that solution will be when they put down their weapons and want peace or the violent thugs or terrorists are annihilated.

There are plenty of reformed terrorists Tass Saada, Kamal Saleem etc so they really do not have to die. It is their choice.
 

]]> By: Reality Check http://galusaustralis.com/2010/02/2684/the-nif-controversy-a-chance-for-closure/#comment-6863 Reality Check Thu, 25 Feb 2010 23:20:47 +0000 http://galusaustralis.com/?p=2684#comment-6863 ariel, you don't hate them, yeah right. Get a reality check. ariel, you don’t hate them, yeah right. Get a reality check.

]]> By: ariel http://galusaustralis.com/2010/02/2684/the-nif-controversy-a-chance-for-closure/#comment-6837 ariel Thu, 25 Feb 2010 05:30:38 +0000 http://galusaustralis.com/?p=2684#comment-6837 RC, here's your misconception: "we" don't hate them; but they hate us. for us it's about survival; for them its about destroying us. i don't see where i said i want to keep fighting: all i said was peace will come when they stop shooting and start talking genuinely with a peaceful goal in mind, not with slogans of "apartheid", "occupation", "zionist entity". RC, here’s your misconception: “we” don’t hate them; but they hate us.
for us it’s about survival; for them its about destroying us.
i don’t see where i said i want to keep fighting: all i said was peace will come when they stop shooting and start talking genuinely with a peaceful goal in mind, not with slogans of “apartheid”, “occupation”, “zionist entity”.

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