Comments on: Jewish Knight Defends Pius XII

By: Rev. Ray Dubuque

Rev. Ray Dubuque — Tue, 22 Jun 2010 00:19:27 +0000

Dear Dr. Fisher,
For the sake of non-Catholics here, what you are saying here is that I am perfectly accurate in stating that the Roman Catholic Church thinks that it alone is 100% authentic, but to the extent that other entities are Roman Catholic, they SHARE in the Roman Catholic church’s authenticity (i.e. some 90%, some 75%, some 33%, or whatever.
Roman Catholics who view all their non-Catholic family and friends as good people who may be just as pleasing to God as they are, may be nice Catholics, but they are not authentic Catholics in that they don’t believe what their church actually teaches. As I show with an abundance of authoritative official proclamations at my jesuswouldbefurious.org/OneTrueChurch.html page such “liberal” ideas make them “heretics” or “protestants” at heart.
But don’t tell them that.

By: Eugene Fisher

Eugene Fisher — Mon, 21 Jun 2010 22:57:55 +0000

Dear Rev. Dubuque,
The Catholic church does not claim to be “the one and only authentic Christian church”. Others, such as the Orthodox, Anglican, Methodist, Lutheran, Reformed are authentically Christian. And the Orthodox Churches are fully a Church, bishops and all. It gets technical after this, because of the question (as the Catholic Church sees it) of the validity of orders. The Swedish Lutheran church, like the Orthodox, has full validity of orders. But there is no question about whether any of the mainline Protestant denominations are “authentically Christian.”
Gene Fisher

By: Rev. Ray Dubuque

Rev. Ray Dubuque — Mon, 21 Jun 2010 15:42:36 +0000

Ms. Vise,
Lest I forget any longer, I’ve been meaning to comment on the terrible experience of your immediate familiy as well as the millions of other Jews with whom you are related. Although I may be a more distant relative, I view these people as family as well, and am totally ashamed of those who so brutally mistreated these brothers and sisters, while imagining themselves to be followers of Jesus, a Jew who wouldn’t have condoned such behavior in a million years!

By: Rev. Ray Dubuque

Rev. Ray Dubuque — Mon, 21 Jun 2010 15:36:30 +0000

Nice try, Mr. Krupp, but although I call the U.M.C. home, I am not an apologist or promoter of that church which incidentally, I would be the first to expose as a FRAUD if it claimed as the RCC does to be “the one and only authentic Christian church”.
As for the matter of Israel, aware as I am of my limitations, I have not been able to devote much time to the study of the nations of Israel and/or Palestine, and have been careful not make a fool of myself by taking stands on issues on which I am totally uninformed.

By: Rev. Ray Dubuque

Rev. Ray Dubuque — Mon, 21 Jun 2010 15:20:09 +0000

As “Observer” found with a minimum of effort is that I am indeed a clergyman in the United Methodist Church, although most of my education (some 24 years) was in Roman Catholic schools and seminaries.
Of the 300+ web pages that I have published on the web since 1996, not a single one is designed to win converts to my denominational home. My purpose has always been to promote the teaching not of MY CHURCH but of my idol, Jesus of Nazarus, whose teaching and example I believe have been implimented much better by the liberals of America (which I emphasize at my http://LiberalslikeChrist.Org/ site) than by the so-called “one, true church” of Rome (whose false claims I expose at my http://JesusWouldBeFurious.Org/ site).

By: Gary Krupp

Gary Krupp — Mon, 21 Jun 2010 15:13:33 +0000

Interesting how Ray accuses the Roman Catholic Church of how it allowed the extermination of Jews when his is a reverend in the United Methodist Church whose position on Israel is so unbalanced and one sided.
Please see http://www.unitedmethodistdivestment.com/ where Ray’s Church of choice, is trying to explain why they are promoting divestment of Israel. Here, they openly deny Israel’s right to self defense and the true history of the region all of which is necessary for Israel’s survival. They are openly aiding, abetting, and supporting the sworn enemies of the JEWISH STATE OF ISRAEL. I think this very clearly qualifies Ray’s past comments, which seem to be more interested in demonizing the Roman Catholic Church in the name of the 6 million martyrs.
I close with the exact exiting sentiments of Son of Trypho, and I thank him for his praise for our attempt to allow the everyday people read documents and listen to eye witness testimony, in order to reach their own conclusions on Pope Pius XII.

By: Observer

Observer — Mon, 21 Jun 2010 14:43:49 +0000

Gary,
Ray is a member of the United Methodist Church:
http://liberalslikechrist.org/Rayspage.htm

By: Gary Krupp

Gary Krupp — Mon, 21 Jun 2010 13:20:17 +0000

Ray, What denomination are you a Reverend of?

By: Gabriel Wilensky

Gabriel Wilensky — Mon, 21 Jun 2010 05:31:40 +0000

Dr. Fisher, maybe we can correspond privately? You may contact me directly by sending me a message through the Six Million Crucifixions web site (http://www.SixMillionCrucifixions.com/Contact.html) so you do not need to put your email address in this public forum. Thanks!

By: Son of Trypho

Son of Trypho — Sun, 20 Jun 2010 22:24:09 +0000

Too late have I seen the folly of engaging in dialogue those who have no intention of reasonable discourse. Like all the other sensible people who have abandoned this thread as a result of the bad faith expressed here by some, I too take my departure as it is now clearly an exercise in futility to continue.

Best wishes to Pave the Way Foundation and Dr Fisher for their good works and intentions.

I will humbly beseech St Teresia Benedicta of the Cross to intercede for all of good faith and intentions.