Comments on: When a Kiss Means Death

By: rachsd

rachsd — Thu, 22 Jul 2010 02:59:11 +0000

Comments on this thread have now been closed because advice about desisting from hate speech has not been heeded.

By: Michael Barnett

Michael Barnett — Thu, 22 Jul 2010 02:52:35 +0000

Not Queer, NARTH is a hate site. They do not publish honest, evidence based research.

That book you refer to has been comprehensively debunked on Box Turtle:

http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/Articles/000,005.htm

I really am sick of people posting hate material about gay people. Let’s see how far you’d get suggesting the same about Jews.

Michael.

By: Not Queer

Not Queer — Thu, 22 Jul 2010 02:24:02 +0000

here is the Gay Report draw your own conclusions:

http://www.narth.com/docs/reporton.html

By: Shoshanna Silcove

Shoshanna Silcove — Thu, 22 Jul 2010 01:48:25 +0000

From you that’s a compliment!

By: Michael Barnett

Michael Barnett — Thu, 22 Jul 2010 01:38:31 +0000

The link you posted is not research. It’s offensive hate material. You are unable to substantiate your vile hate claims with bonafide research.

You are a nasty piece of work Shoshana. You make disgusting assertions about gay people, claiming there is evidence that we are pedophiles and then you can’t back this up.

Go away and take your hate speak with you. Intelligent humans don’t need to hear your pathetic drivel.

By: Shoshanna Silcove

Shoshanna Silcove — Thu, 22 Jul 2010 01:29:36 +0000

I have read those studies in the past. They exist and anyone can find them if they want to. Just look at this one, and there are many more:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/865615/posts

Why is that offensive? To you everything is offensive, you have the thinnest skin, you are touchy about absolutely everything, there is no discussion of issues with you, you take it all so personally. You take the moral high ground whenever anyone disagrees with your assertions and propaganda. Aren’t men who have relations with boys having gay relations? They are certainly not having straight relations. Be honest about this and stop trying to pretend.

Go ahead, ban me from this site. In fact, I’m done with it, it is gotten too boring. You beat the same angry frustrated drum beat all the time….”I’m offended, you’re a homophobe…intolerant…blah blah blah…religion is oppressive….Orthodox Jews are indifferent to teens suicide……..accept 100% what I say or you are EVIL woman…blah blah blah…YAWN. It’s like talking to a religious fanatic, only you’re an atheist fanatic.

By: Michael Barnett

Michael Barnett — Thu, 22 Jul 2010 01:09:06 +0000

You have a very short memory Shoshana.

In the meantime, all I said was that I do not believe the subject of a possible connection between gay men and pedophilia should be taboo. I do not believe this is a closed case, and I have read that while some assert like you have that there is no connection, other studies have asserted quite the opposite.

You clearly make a claim here that you are aware of some “studies” that talk of a “possible connection” between homosexuality and pedophilia. What are these studies that you are aware of? You are making very bold claims here that you refuse to back up with evidence.

As for your claim:

Most people would tend to believe there has to be some link between gay men and pedophilia since, when men have sex with boys it is not ‘straight’ activity, is it?. By definition, men who are molesting boys are gay.

This is unacceptable and I wouldn’t be surprised if you were barred from this site for perpetuating this vile notion.

You are outright offensive.

By: Shoshanna Silcove

Shoshanna Silcove — Thu, 22 Jul 2010 00:58:29 +0000

I never made a claim, I only suggested that there should be a discussion, that it may be open to question, whether or not there is a clear link between gay men and pedophilia. Maybe there is, maybe there isn’t, I just don’t take your word for it as the final authority. Then I was demonised and called names and told by Anthony that this was not to be aired. Then I was challenged to offer proof. I have no proof and am not an ‘expert’ at all, I only question the validity of the propaganda that there is absolutely no link whatsoever between the two. I do not believe there is any proof either way, studies be damned, often they are skewed to get a desired result. Most people would tend to believe there has to be some link between gay men and pedophilia since, when men have sex with boys it is not ‘straight’ activity, is it?. By definition, men who are molesting boys are gay.

By: Michael Barnett

Michael Barnett — Thu, 22 Jul 2010 00:15:21 +0000

No Shoshana. You can’t get out of it that easily. You make an accusation about gay people that you then you refuse to substantiate. That is cowardly.

I shouldn’t be surprised, coming from a person who claims a god and won’t substantiate that claim either.

Show me the proof or apologise.

Michael.

By: Shoshanna Silcove

Shoshanna Silcove — Thu, 22 Jul 2010 00:03:23 +0000

Reagrdless, whether or not I have the scholarly ability (or time or motivation) to find such shcolarly studies, the Torah prohibition against homosexuality stands for all time. So in the end of the day, it really doesn’t matter whoat one’s views are, if one regards gay men as potential pedophiles, or if one likes or dilikes gay culture etc.–it is still againt Hashem’s will: end of dicsussion.

I think this discussion has been exhausted. I stand by the Rebbe’ s discourse on this topic and wish all my opponents on this thread health, happiness, and a complete refuah shalaymah.