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The Hijacking of Lion FM

September 28, 2010 – 8:56 pm311 Comments

Amid reports of widespread volunteer dissatisfaction, bullying, and a lack of accountability and transparency at Lion FM, Bram Presser, a Lion FM presenter until controversially cut last week, explains that the station urgently needs rescuing from its own executive.

Many of you will by now be familiar with last week’s censorship debacle that saw Adam Krongold and my radio show, 100%, summarily yanked off the air mid-episode. Various explanations have been put forth by those at Lion FM, the most prevalent being that Adam and I refused to sign a contract, which was a prerequisite to being on air. They are right. We didn’t sign because the agreement given to us goes against all good journalistic ethics and borders on the illegal. So why were we censored? The reality is far simpler. We committed the egregious crime of daring to mention that we supported a two state solution as the most rational and humane path to peace in Israel. Within minutes, a phone call was supposedly made, the plug was pulled and Adam and I were personae non grata.

Like many in the Melbourne Jewish community, I was excited when I heard about the establishment of Lion FM. I applauded the efforts of those who got it off the ground. However, from the very beginning it was apparent that the station – supposedly an asset for us all – was being run in a somewhat questionable manner by people with no radio experience and a political agenda to push. Although initially reluctant to get involved, I was eventually swayed when I saw that there was another group who were trying to wrestle the station back from its executive and make it a vibrant, community-focused media enterprise. They wanted people with profile and experience and I was excited to do my part to help build a true community radio station that encourages robust debate on Jewish issues, fosters young talent and promotes a positive image of Jews in our city.

Adam and I, along with producer Eva Migdal, put together a show called 100% which was to be a light-hearted current affairs and entertainment program. Each week we would choose a theme and yack about it for an hour. From the start it went well – we had a good and fast-growing listernership. Feedback was great. Two episodes in, we were told we would have to sign a volunteer’s agreement if we wanted to continue. Being a lawyer in my spare time, I read through the agreement and was truly appalled. Not only did it dictate content, reflecting a singular political agenda, but it gave unfettered right to my private life and information to members of the executive. It was drafted as if everything to do with Lion FM was top secret – as if the executive were running ASIO or the CIA rather than a simple, inclusive community radio station.

I have been involved with many journalistic pursuits in the last fifteen years and have never been forced to sign anything as archaic as this. Indeed, anyone at all au fait with their rights would have refused to sign it. I spoke with the then president of Lion FM, Michael Lipshutz, who assured me that nobody at the station was interested in censoring presenters. After some heated, but I believe constructive debate, he conceded that it was not necessary for a presenter to sign the agreement, but instead we should work together to draft a separate Presenter’s Agreement that would not tread on the integrity of Adam or myself as media persons.

The next time we went to the studio, we were met by another of the executive, Menachem Khoen, who had already garnered quite a reputation for aggression, bordering on bullying, towards those at the station who disagreed with his political position. He informed us that he would be sitting in on our taping session. I said I could not work like that – there was already bad blood between him and me because he didn’t want me on-air if I hadn’t signed the agreement. He said that if I didn’t like the way he ran his station I could get out. So I began to leave. Thankfully, Adam is far more diplomatic than I am, and convinced Menachem to leave and me to return. As we began taping, Menachem barged back into the studio and demanded to know why I wouldn’t sign. He asked if I was anti-Zionist and hated Israel. He said if I wouldn’t sign I’d have to leave. I explained that Michael Lipshutz and I had worked through the issue, that Adam and I had permission to tape and be aired while a new Presenter’s Agreement was being drafted in good faith.

I though that was the end of the problem until our show went to air last Wednesday. The episode was called 100% Peace, in which Adam and I discussed the notion of peace in all its manifestations. The day before had been International Peace Day and so the timing was perfect. Furthermore, the latest rounds of peace talks between Netanyahu and Abbas had just wrapped up. It was only natural that we would discuss the Middle East Peace Process, especially given that we are a Jewish station. Failure to mention it would be ignoring the elephant in the room. We voiced the opinion – hardly a radical one nowadays – that we supported a Palestinian State standing proudly alongside a secure, safe Israel. Although I had been assured by Michael Lipshutz that the executive was not interested in censoring legitimate debate, there is no question what happened next. We were taken off air because the opinion we voiced was deemed contrary to the “pro-Zionist” constitution. I have since been accused of hating Israel and rallying against Lion FM’s constitution.

In an attempt to control the damage caused by the fallout, another of the executive has claimed this was not a case of censorship and that we were only taken off air because we had not signed the Volunteer’s Agreement. The problem with that argument is that, in fact, Adam had signed a new Presenter’s Agreement, drafted by Michael Lipshutz, on our behalf. Granted it was with a cover note saying he was signing under duress and that, in principle, he was against having to sign something of this sort. I was given a reprieve from signing because I am overseas – ironically, in Israel – and was told I could do a similar thing upon my return. Adam’s signature was deemed to be enough for both of us. So, contrary to that executive member’s claim, we had in fact signed. Furthermore, I was told that Menachem wanted us off the air because he thought we were anti-Israel and we had dared to question him on issues surrounding the Volunteer’s Agreement. As the fight intensified, Michael Lipshutz resigned as President because he was concerned with the way the station was being run. I will say what Michael, given his diplomatic manner, will not. Lion FM has been hijacked by the extremist right, which seeks to exclude anyone who might disagree with their anti-peace, pro-Shas agenda. They are using what should be a community asset to silence debate and promulgate histrionic alarmist propaganda that not only is generally repudiated by the wider community, but also gives a wholly unacceptable and unrepresentative image of what the Melbourne Jewish community stands for to the wider community.

I for one am extremely worried about the viability of Lion FM in the long run. The license granted to the station is a community license that, under ACMA Guidelines, requires it to be inclusive of the entire community. That means it must be a forum for all views, no matter if they accord with the views of the executive. It is ironic that I welcome the executive to voice their (admittedly repugnant) ideas as part of a healthy debate on air, yet they would not afford me, with far more mainstream and moderate views, the same courtesy. Guidelines aside, freedom of the press is a basic tenet of a healthy democracy.

Truth be told, Adam and I merely wanted to be left in peace to do a show that has thus far proven successful, popular and fun. With an almost bare program grid, Lion FM needs to be encouraging good radio people to get involved, not scaring them away. It needs to embrace the wealth of talent and, yes, viewpoints in our community and not fear the fostering of healthy, robust debate. Most talented, experienced people I know, not to mention donors, refuse to be a part of Lion’s current trajectory. The current executive is quite literally killing the station.

I still hold out hope that Lion FM will become a great station with a permanent license. It will be a jewel in the crown of our fantastic community, and a crucial means of reaching out to the wider community to show what we have to offer. In a political climate that sees us so often maligned, a professionally run, well-balanced, entertaining and informative local radio station can only be a benefit. Let’s hope that the current Lion FM executive hand the reigns over to those with more experience in the running of a radio station; those who might actually fulfil the requirements of the community license by welcoming all views so long as they do not transgress hate laws or otherwise contravene ACMA and other broadcasting rules. The wings are filled with capable, excellent individuals waiting to heed the call.

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  • frosh says:

    I wonder if Menachem Khoen will demonstrate his committment to free speech by having his lawyers contact the editors of Galus demanding to have this article pulled of the site :-)

  • Larry Stillman says:

    You know, 20-30 years ago, the Maoists were threatening various members of the Jewish left for their radio show on 3CR for being not left-wing enough…it’s familiar isn’t it and it infects all groups. Others however, know far more about the story and Steve Brook even wrote a thiny veiled fictional account of it. http://www.redroom.com/blog/steve-j-brook/now-hit-enter-synopsis

    I know that people have been concerned about Lion FMs constitution from the beginning because itexclused all but a pretty narrow opinion base that made a mockery of a community licence. Hopefully, others will speak out & common sense prevail.

    In the meantime, so much, once again, for the broad range of community opinion being given a fair go.

  • Well, well, well…

    Lion FM has been hijacked by the Charedi right, which seeks to exclude anyone who might disagree with their anti-peace, pro-Shas agenda.

    In April this year I was approached by a then Lion FM volunteer and asked if would be interested in being interviewed regarding Aleph Melbourne’s place in the Jewish community. For those who don’t know, Aleph Melbourne is a social and support group for gay, lesbian, bisexual and trangender people from a Jewish background.

    I accepted the invitation but due to my work commitments wasn’t able to find a convenient time to go to Lion’s studio in Collingwood to record the interview. With my connections at JOY 94.9 FM (Melbourne’s Gay & Lesbian radio station), I was able to get one of JOY’s volunteer announcers to facilitate recording the interview at the JOY studios.

    The recording was of professional broadcast quality and the interview was definitely engaging.

    Just this week I was advised by the Lion FM volunteer that Lion FM board would not put my interview to air because the station’s vice president hated the volunteer’s interviews.

    If the station has been hijacked by the Charedi right, a group of people who are vehemently opposed to homosexuality, it now makes sense why my interview did not go to air.

  • Larry Stillman says:

    this appears on e
    http://ajnwatch.blogspot.com/2010/05/response-from-lion-fm-re-shabbat.html

    Further to our earlier post re the new Jewish radio station Lion FM, we have received the following message from Menachem Khoen – a member of its board:

    I want to clarify that Lion FM will be broadcast according to Halacha and from its inception, it was decided that it will only be broadcast according to Jewish Law. We will be doing everything in accordance with our orthodox Rabbi’s approval.

    If anyone wanted to hear the full story, they could have come to our publicly advertised meeting on Thursday night where these issues were discussed.

    Yours sincerely,

    Menachem Khoen
    Vice President, Lion FM

    AJNWATCH comment: We are pleased to hear that this new station will be operated under Halachic guidelines (whether or not our earlier post in any way influenced this decision).

    The lesson to be learned from all this is that organizations – and indeed individuals – must take care in the wording of their announcements so as not give the mistaken impressions. Eg, in this case stating: “a Jewish radio station 24/7”.

  • Steve Brook says:

    Re Larry Stillman:

    It would be nice if lots of people purchased or somehow got hold of my novel “Now Hit Enter”. The distributor is Australian Book Group, or ph. (03) 5625 4290.

    I also did a more factual piece about the early history of 3CR back in 1994. This is titled “How Radio Gumleaf Won Through” and it can be obtained from me at sbrook34@gmail.com. Neither Halacha nor Sharia!

  • Bram Presser says:

    I urge people to read Shoshanna’s response to my article. Contrary to her assertions there are no half truths and it is she who mischaracterises the volunteer agreement. For what its worth I’d like to know her legal credentials – I for one am a practising lawyer and legal academic. Credentials aside, I would not expect her to agree with me – she is a lackey of the executive who is well-known for her far-right wing views.

    If she chooses to say I am trying to hijack the station for my political agenda then perhaps, in her characterisation, she is right. And here’s my agenda: Building a community radio station that represents and welcomes all the views in our wonderfully vibrant and diverse community. That includes people of Shoshanna’s political views. And therein lies the difference between me and her. I encourage debate, she and her like try to stifle it.

  • You are the one who is well known for your outrageous out of the mainstream rebellious shtick and far left wing radical views! And as for me being a lackey of the executive, how would you know? You never even met me. You never even spopke to me once about me, or my involvement with the radio. Are you listening to slander, perhaps? You like to make up stories about people, don’t you? You are obviously overly emotional about being tossed out of the station and are now on a vendetta against them. You are a disgruntled ex-volunteer.

  • Bram Presser says:

    Firstly, I am still a volunteer.

    Secondly, you are doing exactly what you accuse me of doing. You don’t know me from a bar of soap. I, on the other hand, have followed some of your blogging and your opinions are simply repugnant. You take an extreme, literalist interpretation of Judaism and wield it as a weapon against good people. For instance your attack on Michael Barnett was indecent and inhumane and just plain wrong. I subscribe to Hillel’s creed: to treat others humanely and decently with the hope that I should be repaid the same favour. I see the inherent good in all humans irrespective of their race, colour, creed or political opinions. Although I might completely disagree with you, I recognise your right to say whatever you feel, except when it crosses the line into hate speech.

    Thirdly, I am known for singing in a punk band and being a committed community volunteer. That’s about it. I’m flattered that you would ascribe much more to me. In terms of my political leanings, I would say I am a middle of the road moderate. And I dare say, I have done more for promoting pride in one’s Judaism than you in your little corner of hateville could ever hope to do.

    I am touched that you feel so strongly about this. It is important to debate such things in the open. Kind regards.

  • The Hasid says:

    TEAM BRAM.

  • Bram, I am up at this late hour finishing my Yom Tov preparations. I feel perhaps we started off on the wrong foot. Let’s give each other the benefit of the doubt, after all, it is Sukkos, a time when we rejoice in the unity of our people, in the things we have in common with each other as Jews.

    I understand you were rejected by LionFM and you feel hurt, disappointed and angry. You really wanted to make a contribution on the air and I can empathise with the pain you are feeling that so far, this has not worked out for you. Nonetheless, I feel it is not right of you to write an article smearing the good people of LionFM who have dedicated their time, energy, and resources to build it from a mere pipe-dream into the reality that it is today. It took the executives and their fellow volunteers several years of sweat and toil to reach the stage the station and is at now. And it really isn’t fair of you to use the GA website as a platform to vent your personal anger against them.

    What would be the purpose of your article? Do you truly think that this article is going to help the radio station move forward and grow? Do you really think that demonising the executives is good for the future of the station? If the future of the station and the good of the community are your main interests, then how does such an article as this help foster those interests? Personally, I can’t see how besmirching the executives, thus damaging their reputations and the reputation of the station can do any good for the station or the Jewish community. It can only bring about divisiveness.

    So what is your goal? Is it to help build the station? Or is it to help bring it down? Could it be that you feel rejected and angry and feel that if the station doesn’t want your services then maybe it shouldn’t exist at all? I do doubt that is the case but I am truly trying to understand your motivations here. What do you want? Do you want to rewrite the LionFM constitution and volunteer agreements in your own image? Do you want to run things the way you want? Are you unable to compromise, or do you only want everything to be your way or else you will mercilessly attack the station executives?

    You took this opportunity to tell your side of the story of what led up to your being ousted from doing your program. As the old saying goes, there are three sides to every story–your side, the other guy’s side, and the truth. The latter is usually in between the other two. Until we hear the other side none of us can make a definite assessment as to who was in the right or in the wrong. Thus far, all we have is hearsay, and as a lawyer, you know how unreliable that is. Having said that, I do believe the executives have an obligation to have standards and policies and it is their right to oust whomever they feel is not acting within those guidelines. If you feel that your were hard done by, then instead of writing an article smearing and attacking them, there were other much more constructive ways you could have handled your grievance. You did not, in my opinion, choose to resolve things constructively, but instead chose to be contentious with this highly emotionally charged a public diatribe.

    And some of your assertions are blatantly and absurdly false. For instance, not one of the executives is either Chareidi or a promoter of the Shas party platform.

    I happen to respect and have a high regard for the executives and for what they have accomplished. I think I understand their vision and I concur with it. Of course, I too have had my differences with some of their policies etc., but I am flexible and able to compromise and adapt and I know that when working in community organisations, things will never be 100% to my liking. The best way to go about accomplishing goals is to try to work in a positive and constructive manner. Your article does not, in my view, accomplish anything positive, nor is it constructive, in fact, the opposite is true. And I feel if you think about it and take a hard honest look at this, then you will come to the same conclusion.

    A Gut Yom Tov and a Gut year with open and revealed blessings for you and your loved ones.

  • What Bram Presser really said about Israel on the radio-
    What does Bram Presser really believe about Israel? It has come to may attention, although I have not heard it, that Bram Presser said on his radio program that not only does he believe in a two state solution but, that Jerusalem should not be the capital of Israel. That is anti-Zionist in my book, how about yours? If he did indeed say this, then LionFM has every right to oust him.

  • Selwyn says:

    For those who may be imterested in a good Jewish radio station – see
    http://www.chaifm.com/
    Our community can learn something from this .

  • Eli says:

    @SS;
    What a thoroughly condescending and patronizing response to Bram’S article and valid criticism. You have a right to your views, but to legitimise them by cloaking them in a veil of religious piety is overbearing.

    I myself had been approached to become a volunteer of the station, not as a presenter but as a producer. Having put my name down and requested further information over the last six months, apart from the official opening I have not been presented with any information.

    I had asked what were the requirements of putting a program to air and was simply told that the only requirement was that you had to be Jewish.

    How that then makes for a “Jewish radio station” is beyond me. More like a radio station for Jews than a Jewish Radio station. If the content did not have to have relevance to Jewish issues or the Jewish condition then why would anyone want to listen. It certainly should have embraced all views within the community, as Bram has said in his article.

    If the station was funded by public funds and public donations, this certainly should be transparent and certainly not have a narrow agenda. I support Bram’s contention that the station is in urgent need of professional media people, supported by dedicated volunteers. Any political agenda or religious zealotry should be immediately abandoned, lest another important community project fall by the wayside due to ego and power brokering.

  • LionFM is much newer than ChaiFM which is much more well established. With time LionFM will be just as good, G-d’s help.

  • Larry Stillman says:

    For what it is worth, I listen to ChaiFM when I am working in Joburg though the reception fades in distant parts of the city.

    It doesn’t broadcast on Shabbat or Chagim, but it does have a variety of programs, some of which are excellent (I must confess, some of the personal development programs run by some very devout people are excellent). But other than some sport, music or news programs (with a lot of direct reporting from Israel), I can’t remember anything particular inclusive about it in the sense of offering non-traditional challenging opinions..I think Chai like Lion is pretty religious Zionist by the language used, and therein lies another difference.

    I think another key point is that both Lion and Chai are restricted in the scheduling and content than most of Israeli public radio (that is the IBA network) –which is 7×24. Therein lies a key difference and this betrays the community mission of Lion which is agressively Zionist, taking a particular line on issue which may in fact contradict the terms of what are required for a community licence.

    At least Israel public radio does offer a much wider variety of public opinion and political viewpoint, 7×24. And as we all know, there is considerably debate about the meaning of Zionism and Israel’s future both in Israel and all around the world. All this needs considerable airing, or are different viewpoints too scary a thing and we all know what that leads to…well, we have seen it…..programs being pulled off the air..

    But we live in a ‘little community’ as someone posted so nice on Galus a couple of days ago, with a sense of irony I hope.

  • Larry Stillman says:

    that should be so nicely noch.

  • anon says:

    I’m a little confused as to what constitutes ‘Anti-Zionist’

    When the state of Israel was created. The UN agreed to creating two seperate countries simultaneously, a Jewish one and a Palestinian one to live side by side. Jerusalem was to be an international city, not the capital of either.

    This was ACCEPTED by the then Zionist government in waiting of the Jewish state and was continued to be accepted post 1948, through to 1967 when Eygpt ruled the Gaza strip and Jordan ruled the West bank inlcuing Jerusalem. I am yet to find a transcript of Abba Eban stating this to be an abomination or a requirement for the Zionist State of Israel

    If this is the case, why is it Anti-Zionist to accept a Palestine state alongside a Jewish state? In addition, why MUST Jerusalem be the single capital of the Jewish state. In 1948, the Zionist leaderhsip was happy for it to be an International city with Tel Aviv as the capital. Why is this now not acceptable? Why is not acceptable to have a shared capital with the Palestinian peoples?

    I am a fairly knowledgable Religious Jew who grew up in the Mizrachi community. I am yet to find a single halachic requirement for Jerusalem to be the capital of a modern Zionist society. I am yet to find a historical statement from any of our Leaders, including the likes of Rav Kook that it is an abomination that Jerusalem was run and mandated by the British empire, the Ottoman Empire, the Byzantines, Suleman the Magnificant etc….

  • anon is going way off topic here, IMHO. GA editors, is he not ‘trolling’?

  • Joe says:

    The difference between Lion and Chai FM is that noone in South Africa had a problem with the Jewish radio station being Zionistic. If Lion didn’t broadcast anything on Shabbat IE: dead air, they would lose their license. Good luck in destroying the station Bram. Hope it feeds your ego for a while.

  • Bram will not, G-d willing, destroy the station as the good people on the board are competent and will not allow that to happen.

  • Larry Stillman says:

    From the Chai FM website.

    “The objectives of Chai FM are to: Unite the Jewish community, to build the connection between the community and the land of Israel, to reflect ourselves to ourselves and to provide programming that is relevant, informative, intelligent, honest, engaging, reflects a diversity of views and is ultimately entertaining.

    Chai FM is for all the Jews of Johannesburg, irrespective of observance levels, age, gender, race or financial status.

    “The station aims to provide a platform for debate and a diversity of opinion” says Kathy Kaler, a director of Chai FM. She adds: “It’s so easy to think that our communities are insular and we can forget we are each part of a greater “whole”.

    The current path taken by Lion is apparently some what narrower when it comes to questions of Zion in particular.

    Ms Anon is making a good point about the wide variety of opinion that exists around the Z word, and it has been so for since the earliest days of political Zionism. It deserves to be vented, and all shades of opinion give an opportunity.

    Otherwise, go for a private radio licence.

  • Morry says:

    @Eli. What a strange argument. You argue strongly that it should be a Jewish station rather than a station for Jews, then argue that “It certainly should have embraced all views within the community, as Bram has said in his article” … but the views of Jews in the community are not necessarily Jewish views.

    Take the much maligned issue of Zionism. Jews in the community have a plethora of views on the subject. The Zionist argument is a simple one. Jews are indigenous to the area known as Palestine … that is where this people was born, developed into a nation, and became Jews (Jude in German, named after Judea, the Jewish homeland). This is simple history and genetics. Zionism is no more and no less than advocating a return of an indigenous people to its native homeland. To take the emotional element out of it, consider if the British had removed all Aborigines to Fiji with the arrival of the 1st Fleet. Would we today be happy to consider a return of the Aboriginal people to their native Australia? What about if we were ourselves Aboriginal?

    Certainly in my terms, given that zionism is so intrinsically Jewish, a denial of this basic right of an indigenous people to return (legally granted by those who owned the land) is very unJewish. In modern terms it’s a view stemming mostly from the extreme left, and the fact that many Jews have adopted that ideology doesn’t suddenly make it “Jewish”.

    The thrust of my argument is that the fact that views are held by elements of the Jewish community, doesn’t, apros po, make those views “Jewish”. Even if the entire community held Collingwood to be the greatest team ever, this wouldn’t suddenly become a Jewish view.

    My understanding from people who should know, was that the Lion license was religion-based rather than community-based, but that could be wrong.

  • Larry Stillman says:

    Shoshan, please keep deities out of it. This is a political issue. Otherwise we are in Iran.

  • You are correct, LionFM has a religious license.

  • Larry Stillman says:

    I quote here from the Constitution of Lion FM, by which I believe it was granted its community licence. See http://www.lionfm.org/mission.doc

    It is not religious licence.

    It may well be that the current actions of Lion FM against certain groups and individuals are actionable under anti-discrimination leglislation. I leave it to others to decide if that is the case.

    1. Statement of Purpose
    1.1 The name of the association is Melbourne Jewish Radio Inc. (“the Association”)
    1.2 The Association shall have the power to do all such things as in its opinion shall be conducive to the implementation of the below purposes, aims and objects and without limiting the generality of the foregoing it shall have power to raise funds, to hold land on any tenure, to accept gifts, legacies and devises, to purchase and to sell any real and personal estate, to execute trusts, to engage and dismiss servants, and to enter into contracts and no action by or on behalf of the Association which is not contrary to these Rules shall be invalidated as being ultra vires.
    1.3 The Association shall foster the unity of the Jewish community and strive for the fulfilment of its aspirations and ensure the continuity and development of its religious, spiritual, cultural and social heritage and to that end its purposes, aims and objects shall be-
    2. Objects
    The Objects for which the association is established are all or any of the following:

    2.1 To broadcast programming, of relevance to the Jewish community of Melbourne including news, music and discussion;
    2.2 To promote tolerance, understanding and dialogue within the Jewish community and the community as a whole.
    2.3 To promote unity of endeavour and of action within the Jewish community of Victoria;
    2.4 To encourage and assist the development of Jewish social, religious and cultural life in Victoria;
    2.5 To perpetuate the memory of the victims of the Holocaust and to promote understanding of the Holocaust;
    2.6 To promote the centrality of the State of Israel in Jewish life;
    2.7 To promote Zionism;
    2.8 To promote understanding and goodwill between Jews and citizens of other faiths;
    2.9 To act in conjunction with other bodies to provide facilities for and to assist generally Jewish education in Victoria;
    2.10 To administer any relief or other fund which may be received in trust or otherwise for any of these aims and objects;
    2.11 To apply for membership and participate as a constituent of the Jewish Community Council of Victoria;
    2.12 To co-operate with any organisation having aims or objects similar to these aims and objects;
    2.13 To raise monies for and to apply the same in carrying out these aims and objects;
    2.14 To aapply for and maintain a community broadcasting license;
    2.15 To acquire, equip, maintain, manage premises for use as a broadcasting station by and for the Jewish community of Victoria;
    2.16 To transmit and develop programmes of cultural, educational and social significance to the Jewish community;
    2.17 To establish communication and liaison between the ethnic communities and broadcasting groups in order to achieve through broadcasting an exchange of information and ideas, greater understanding of the diversity of cultures within the Australia community as well as to promote multiculturalism, and community languages and to combat antisemitism and racism.

  • Eli says:

    @morry. It is not I believe a strange argument. For those who identify themselves as Jews in some context, whether it be from historical/cultural perspective and or a religious one, those views are influenced to a greater or lesser degree because of that heritage.It may be that some of those views are not exclusively Jewish ones,they are however are an outgrowth of an inherited history and tradition. That therefore is a Jewish perspective, not to be confused with an exclusive religious perspective.

    I would argue that Zionism is not as simple as returning an “indigenous” people to an area known as Palestine. However to discuss that here is off topic and perhaps we could have that discussion at another time.

    One can certainly be Jewish without having to be a Zionist and one can be an advocate for Israel without having to be zionistic either.

    As to Collingwood being the greatest team ever ..well you have to be nuts to believe that…and that will be proven on Saturday.

  • philip mendes says:

    My only comment is who on earth is Menachem Khoen, and why would someone who nobody has ever heard of be given the power to run a Jewish radio station, and decide who is or isn’t sufficiently kosher to broadcast on it?

    Philip Mendes

  • Larry Stillman says:

    Publicly available information from the ZSC website

    Zionist Council congratulates Israeli Centre President on receiving Victorian Multicultural Award

    The Zionist Council of Victoria has congratulated Menachem Khoen, President of the HaMerkaz Ha’Israeli (Israeli Centre) on receiving a Meritorious Service to the Community award for his outstanding voluntary contribution to the Jewish and Israeli community of Victoria at Government House yesterday.

    The award recognises the outstanding achievements of an individual who has had a minimum of 10 years voluntary service at a governance level.

    Mr Khoen was born in Israel and migrated to Melbourne in 1971. Since his arrival in Melbourne, he has been instrumental in developing a community organisation for Israeli immigrants. Early on, he identified that this segment of the community struggles with a range of issues which are distinct from those of the Australian Jewish community. Issues of integration into both the Jewish community and the broader Victorian community had to be balanced with the need to maintain cultural and linguistic identity.

    Mr Khoen was the initiator and founder of Hamerkaz Ha’Israeli in 1995 – established in order to unify the Israeli community and provide a wide range of services, including opportunities for mutual support and assistance. The Centre is a non-profit, democratic, pluralistic, incorporated association with no political affiliation. Its activities run in the Hebrew language, enabling ready access to information.

    Since the establishment of the Israeli Centre, Mr Khoen has continuously undertaken leadership roles within the organisation as either President or Chairman. He has given his unstinting time and effort over the 13 years the organisation has been in operation. Furthermore, he has personally funded the administration of the Israel Centre, donating the salary of a full time director.

    Mr Khoen has also been involved as an Executive member of the Zionist Council of Victoria since the late 1970s, holding positions including Chairman of Hebrew Culture and Chairman of Trade and Investment.

    Dr Danny Lamm, ZCV President commented on the positive relationship the roof body and the Israeli Centre have cultivated over many years, “I was very proud that our nomination of Menachem for this prestigious award was successful. One of Menachem’s priorities has always been to build bridges between the Israeli community and the Melbourne Jewish community. He ably and enthusiastically represents the Israeli community on the Zionist Council Executive, ensuring that their views, concerns and needs are reflected in the roof body’s policy and planning activity” he said.

    Significantly, Mr Khoen initiated the first Israel Memorial Day commemoration in Melbourne. From humble beginnings as a program conducted only in Hebrew, this program, with Mr Khoen’s assistance, has been embraced by the Zionist Council of Victoria who now coordinate and produce it in conjunction with the Israel Centre and 10 other Jewish community organisations. In 2008, over 1200 people attended a most dignified and emotional commemoration at Monash University’s Robert Blackwood Hall, and conducted in both Hebrew and English.

    In addition to his activities with the Israeli community and the Israel Centre, Mr Khoen has also been an active volunteer and leader of long standing for Kosher Meals on Wheels, having undertaken the role of president for the past 16 years.

    Mr Khoen has long been a proponent and active advocate of Israeli culture in Melbourne. He has contributed to both the Israeli community and the Jewish community for decades with dedication and passion. He is a well-deserving and most appropriate candidate for an award which acknowledges and recognizes exemplary commitment in the service of his community.

  • Bram Presser says:

    Sorry for the late response. I have the Israel/Australia time difference to contend with.

    Shoshanna, please do not patronise me. I am not five years old. Your passive aggressive platitudes are an insult to the intelligence of every Galus reader. I am not ‘hurt’ or ‘rejected’, nor am I ‘a disgruntled former volunteer’. I have never cared what people thought of me. Nor do my identity or self worth depend on the good graces of the executive of a community radio station.

    What you are failing to understand is that this is not about me. It is about the way in which an organisation, granted a community license (with all the attendant ACMA and broadcasting requirements) is being held hostage by a small cabal who are only interested in protecting and promulgating their own interests. Contrary to your assertions, I spent over two weeks and countless emails trying to resolve this problem from within the station. For the most part it was like smacking my head against a brick wall. A small amount of progress was being made, however, thanks to the efforts of the now former president, Michael Lipshutz. Thus, I was willing to continue keeping it in-house until the executive took the very public action of taking mine and Adam’s show off-air mid-episode. So now it has come to this.

    Even if my show is cancelled and I am forbidden from ever stepping inside the Lion studio again, I will continue fighting to change the volunteer’s agreement. Far from being a ‘benign legal document’ as you call it, this agreement is an affront to both journalistic ethics and individual integrity. Clause 3 is proscriptive and dictates an exclusive political philosophy to which one is expected to adhere. Clause 4, dealing with ‘confidential information’, militates against the transparent running of the organisation and only serves to protect the executive from revealing what really goes on behind closed doors. Seriously, what can possibly need to be kept secret? This ain’t national security we’re talking about! Clause 5 gives the executive unfettered access to personal and private information of volunteers and, in my opinion, is the most repugnant of the clauses. I wonder if the executive advised all volunteers to seek independent legal advice before signing such a document as would have been good legal practice. I dare say I know both the answer and the reason why. The only reason this whole situation exploded like it did is because, as a lawyer, I knew my rights and what the contract actually said and insisted on standing up for myself. Before you get your knickers in more of a knot, you should know that even the secretary of Lion has conceded that the agreement may be contrary to the ACMA guidelines and is undertaking to revise it to make sure it doesn’t jeopardise the license. I am more than happy to sign an agreement that does not trample on my rights and have undertaken to sign upon my return on the understanding that it will be revised accordingly.

    Shoshanna, I too applaud the efforts of those who got this off the ground. I said so in the initial article. I also commend Menachem for his willingness to essentially fund the station. However, he must understand that if one donates to a community organisation, whose existence is by definition for the benefit of the entire community, he cannot expect to dictate a political agenda. That is not charity – that is abuse of one’s good fortune. Also, just because some people managed to get things going, it doesn’t mean they are the ones best suited to maintaining and growing it at the exclusion of others with relevant experience.

    As for my ‘wildly inaccurate’ accusations. If the executive isn’t Charedi, indeed I apologise. To the charedi community. I am sorry that I tarred them with the same brush as the executive. I ask that the editor’s replace the word “Charedi” in my text to “extremist”. As for the Shas part of my statement, I never claimed anyone belonged to Shas. But there is no doubting that the agenda being pushed by the executive is aligned with Shas philosophy. I stand by every other word and assertion in my original article. I should add that in your original blog response you accused me of borderline defamation. I challenge Menachem to sue me if he feels so aggrieved. I will plead the defence of truth and call a whole host of witnesses who were either at the receiving end of, or witness to, his aggressive, unhinged tirades and threatening tactics. Eds: “Charedi” has been changed to “extremist”

    Onto your central accusation, that i am pushing a political agenda. You say I am well known for my extreme left wing views. I challenge you to name one of them. I am, in fact, a humanist moderate. I abhor extremism is all its forms. I have no agenda other than the growth of Lion FM according to best community radio practise and lawfulness.

    Please don’t misunderstand me. If it takes me walking away from the station to get the executive to hand over the reigns to a community minded, guideline-abiding committee with radio experience, I am more than willing to do so. I really don’t care about myself in this equation. All I want is for Lion FM to be the best, most representative station it possibly can be. As I said from the outset, I want it to be a grooming ground for our community’s amazing talent and a fantastic community radio station in its own right.

    Chag is now dawning on us here in the wonderful land of Israel. I wish you peace and happiness in this new year and hope that you can see fit to reach out and embrace all people, no matter their political outlook, religious affiliation, race, colour, creed or sexual preference. That would indeed be a step towards peace in our time.

  • Bram Presser says:

    PS

    @ Joe. I am not destroying the station. i am trying to get the executive to run it in a way that will ensure a permanent license is granted. And as I said above this is not about me or my ego. I am just in a fortunate position to have some profile to be able to highlight an unfortunate situation.

    @ Philip. Couldn’t agree more. Reading his CV, I see nothing that qualifies him to run a radio station and that’s pretty much all it boils down to.

    @ Eli. Agreed. To actually debate the Zionist issue is missing the point here. It is an important debate but this is about the exclusion of dissenting opinion on a station intended to represent the whole community and the need for professional, experienced media people to be brought in to steer this fledgling ship.

    @ Shoshanna. Stop making this personal about my views. They are irrelevant. But for what it’s worth I believe in a two state solution with East Jerusalem as the capital of Palestine and (West) Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. I have NEVER said that Jerusalem should not be the capital of Israel. If you knew anything about me you’d know that I am a passionate supporter of Israel, albeit not an uncritical one. I believe that, as Jews, humanity, dignity and compassion should be our guiding principles and that necessarily includes the recognition of the Palestinian people’s right to self-determination.

  • Annoyed says:

    Bram, you talk a load of rubbish coated in fancy terminology and expect to be handed an award.

    You must have a lot of time on your hands to be able to write such long winded nonsense.

    I listen to Lion FM everyday and thoroughly enjoy their content. I think that they are all doing a great job and it is unfortunate that you have nothing better to do then whine about the work they do. Perhaps you would be happier if they gave you the station to run so you could run it an accordance with your fantastically high moral standards.

    The fact that you said something that is offensive to a huge percentage of Jewish people, people that have fought in wars, people that have lived through the Intifada and expect to come out smelling like roses indicated the level of your naivety. Since you are such an expert with media, you should know that part of being a presenter on a radio station is to be neutral. The fact that you felt that this was an opportunity for you to sprout your opinion amazes me. Did you at any point say that what you were saying was your own opinion and not necessarily those of the station? I heard your show and was overjoyed when it was shut off.

    I can only conclude that you made these comments on radio to incite people and to get a little media attention for Bram.

    I think you should act like a man and admit that what you did was offensive to many Jewish people. Stop trying to smear people who are making a positive contribution to our society.

  • Devon says:

    annoyed – agreed
    this seems like a personal vendetta

    [Eds: It’s alwasy good to agree with yourself “Annoyed” but please refrain from using two different anonymous pseudonyms in such close proximity to each other]

  • Brian Goldsmith says:

    What all the correspondents bar one seem to forget is the fact that 3MJR is transmitting its signal via a TCBL,that is,a Temporary Community Broadcasting Licence on the frequency of 96.1MHz.Any other community association may (and probably will) apply to the ACMA to be a co-aspirant on the 96.1 MHz frequency within the trial period of 12 months which commenced on the opening day of 3MJR.The ACMA is all powerful in deciding just which aspirant will get the permanent licence for 96.1MHz,their decision is governed on very specific rules about community participation etc.
    A better way of a Community Radio Station Aspirant (such as 3MJR) comitting hari kiri has not been seen in Melbourne since the CityFM debacle of a few years ago.

  • Mr Radio says:

    OK.

    I’m coming into this debate as a lapsed Roman Catholic.

    Now what interest do I have in this Lion FM disagreement, well, let’s just say I was approach to provide some ‘mainstream’ program during the Sabbath (pardon me for the incorrect spelling, but in simple terms, programming on Saturdays).

    May I suggest you all QUICKLY find a way to get along and allow airtime for those Jewish people who have different ideas on their faith and the politics that go with it.

    If you do not, Lion FM WILL lose it’s licence.

    You must remember Lion FM is on a TCBL (Temporary Licence).

    At ANY MOMENT another group can form (regardless of religion, beliefs, etc…) – for example a general City Area station open to all comers – and challenge for the licence.

    If they challenge (and this is not restricted to one group, it could be multiple groups), Lion FM will be forced by the ACMA to share the airtime on 96.1 FM (but each group will need their own equipment, studios, etc…).

    When it comes down to it (for the permanent licence), the odds would be stacked heavily in favour of a ‘General Community’ station (like North West FM, 3WBC, Southern FM, etc…).

    So everyone play nice, bring EVERYONE together from your faith (regardless of views left or right) or you might just find someone like me and a few others (with maybe a few Lion FM rejects) starting up a new version of City FM to take the airwaves from you.

    Mr Radio.

  • I keenly followed the process of the 2001 community license applications where 3 metro and 1 inner city community radio licences were up for grabs. What Brian and Mr Radio say is true. Public station squabbles don’t look very good when it comes to putting your case forward at the permanent license application process.

    I was with JOY 94.9 back then, and it took them from 1993 to 2001 to earn their permanent inner city license. It came after a lot of hard TEAM WORK.

    All that said, I’m curious to know if the station will be wholly supportive of giving a voice to the gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender members of the Jewish community. If they aren’t supportive of this, as it would seem currently based on their ‘extremist’ religious leanings, it would look poor when they came to submitting a permanent license application and an objection was lodged…

  • Anonymous says:

    It is good to hear the inside stories and viewpoint of the presenters & know who better who these people are & their political views. I think it is good that people as diverse as Shoshanna and Bram are contributors to the same station.

    Our own mini Knesset here in Melbourne!

    I inquired to the station today after reading the AJN article and was happy to hear that the problematic Volunteers Agreement which Mr Lipshutz had written for all volunteers and presenters to sign, is currently being upgraded to something more appropriate and community minded by a new lawyer.

    Let us hope that with good will, cooperation and community mindedness, peace at Lion will reign!

    It is nice to see that there are many passionate & committed people involved in trying very hard to get the station on track and hopefully the open debate will ensure any extremists will be recognized for their narrow views and contained in their power so everyone can have a voice!

  • Peter Hersch says:

    Interesting debate.
    Have you guys forgotten the meaning of the word “community” ?
    I like the biological definiton of the word: “a naturally occurring group of different plant or animal species that occupy the same habitat and interact with each other. ”
    Exclusion is not interaction, is it ?
    Sadly, I am yet to listen to Lion FM but thanks to Brian Goldsmith who gave me the frequency to tune into I am about to remedy this oversight.

    And I hear Paul McCartney singing “Silly little love songs”.
    In viw of the above, a VERY inappropriate song.

    Go Bram !!!

  • Gareth J says:

    If this were any other community, the reaction by its Management Committee (of its “executive” in this case) would be truly hesitant in broadcasting material that may offend reasonable minded persons within the community to which the station broadcasts.

    Lets see just how long presenters would last on Joy FM if they were to promote violence against gays and lesbians ? Or perhaps on 3ZZZ or 3CR if they were to be promoting vilification of one ethnic community by another – maybe encouraging their Serb listeners to attack Macedonians in the streets of Melbourne, MAYBE a bold announcer on the Christian station questioning the whole point of christianity and rubbishing the Bible ?

    Get the idea ?

    You have a Jewish radio station that holds a firm belief in its presentation of a positive and jewish relavent program format. Great idea, so does this include any presenter to, at his/her own whim, question the major tenets of the Jewish community ?

    I would have a guess that the answer is “NO”

    The place for this Bram Presser content is in a debate program, hosting two people representing differing opinions and firmly mediated, NOT via a personal propaganda slot that offers no right of reply to anyoe holding a different opinion.

    Is it perhaps Bram Presser, rather than the radio station, that holds to an incorrect interpretation of what community broadcasting is about ?

    Get over it !

  • Gareth J says:

    A bit more from me – for all your postings on this topic, a reader may think the sky had truly started to fall, and the end of life as we know it was nigh.

    Bram – for one person who disagreed with an objection to something in a presenters agreement – you are very vocal – perhaps you have used this as your personal attempt to ACTUALLY talk the legs off a table !

    Contrary to what I can see by your postings, life does NOT revolve around you. Yes, its hard to believe, but true.

    You are committed aren’t you ! – you said “Even if my show is cancelled and I am forbidden from ever stepping inside the Lion studio again, I will continue fighting to change the volunteer’s agreement.”

    Some people honestly think the best way to save something is to kill it – Well, don’t worry about the radio station, just worry about your argument on a phrase or two in a Volunteers Agreement, and don’t forget to do as much harm and lasting damage to the radio station as possible in your quest.

    For someone who outwardly promotes themselves as intelligent, the preposition that your personal quest is more important than a radio station for the whole Melbourne Jewish community is just PATHETIC, dumb and rediculously short sighted.

    Maybe with all your carry-on, and station bashing – the radio station is well within its rights to refuse you a program. If the nature of your comments is anything to go by, you seem to behave like a loose cannon, push the nevelope o every availaable occasion, demonstrated by your refusal to a simple request to agree to a set of rules, and subsequent forum postings designed to somehow legitimise your actions in this regard.

    Anyway, I suppose you’re the type who does nothing whatsoever behind the scenes, does not assist in promoting the radio station, didn’t help others produce shows, did nothing to assist in fund-raising, did nothing other than to expect others to be at your beck and call – and then smack them in the face with your seemingly endless diatribe.

  • Gareth, your argument is fundamentally flawed. The Jewish community is defined by a variety of ideologies, often at conflict with each other. There is no single Jewish approach to anything, especially when it comes to Israel, that would satisfy all stakeholders in the Jewish community.

    If a radio station is going to call itself a Jewish radio station and cater for the Jewish community, it must be prepared to open it’s doors to a diverse group of people with a diverse group of ideas. Otherwise, it must define itself more carefully and position itself toward it’s preferred niche.

  • Gareth J says:

    Michael, perhaps if there is no common anything about the jewish community – then perhaps the radio station will be in eternal conflict, resolvable only by closing the thing down.

    If no-one is going to be happy with it – as you suggest – why bother ?

  • Bram Presser says:

    @ Gareth and friends. I will keep this brief. I still have a show on the station. I wasn’t denied a show. My show is not political – it is a light hearted look at current affairs and issues of general interest. I am glad to hear that all this debate has sparked a new look at the volunteer’s agreement which has always been the main problem. This is a great first step and I hope all parties to the debate can work together now to build a strong, diverse and representative station.

  • Gareth J says:

    BRAM – So all that carry on was over NOTHING ?????

  • Gareth, you miss my point. I am suggesting that if the station wants to represent the entire Jewish community, it must be inclusive, not exclusive.

  • Bram Presser says:

    @ Gareth, no not at all. It was about censorship and the rights of individuals and the wider community on a community station. And the need to get the station executive acting according to ACMA guidelines and other broadcasting laws in the hope of getting a permanent license. This now appears to be on the cards and I think that can only be a good thing for our community. Also, get your facts straight. The opinion I espoused on-air during the ‘offending’ show was the very same one reflected by the Israeli government and 98% of Jews in both Israel and the diaspora. It was not a minority argument as was claimed by those on the far-right who have sought to discredit me. It certainly wasn’t offensive to the vast majority of the Jewish community.

  • Gareth J says:

    Yes, but you were on a war path against the executive, named individuals, attempted to trash the radio station’s credibility – NOW YOU’RE AS NICE AS PIE !

    I smell a rat here !

  • Larry Stillman says:

    Gareth,

    I don’t know who you are, but I do not, based on your tone, think that you are interested in any form of serious debate. Do you mind recusing rather than abusing?

  • Gareth J says:

    Hey Larry,

    I don’t know who you are either – that makes us even.

    The debate, as I see it, has been twisted and manipulated away from the point of a refusal to sign a Volunteers Agreement, to now be an apparent case of censorship and cancellation of a program, and naming names as unqualified to run a radio station etc etc.

    Lawyers often think themselves as ‘people apart” from the rest of any community, and use adversarial language and expression in circumstances where it can create lasting damage, despite the individual’s seemingly noble intentions.

    In this case, the radio station copped it in the eyes. Now we hear the Bram Presser program WASN’T CANCELLED – thus the main cause of the argument expressed in the main article is a NON EVENT, NULL AND VOID.

    Perhaps an apology is in order, to the volunteers who, in good faith, work with Lion FM, and to any person named in the station bashing posts.

    How about that for an idea ?

  • The Hasid says:

    TEAM BRAM!

    SAVE GARETH!

  • Peter Hersch says:

    Garth I resent your arguments. I don’t know either you or Bram but I think I would much prefer to listen to Bram’s radio program than yours – if you had one that is. I am sure his would be nowhere near as one sided as yours. Having grown up in a Communist country I’ve had it up to the eyeballs with indoctrinating directions from tin hat despots.

    I would probably though prefer your hair style to Bram’s and I suppose you don’t set off metal detectors in airports like he does. But that’s another story.

    You have personalised this argument and in doing so you, as many others you seem to have missed the point. Bram was taken off air mid program on the whim of a dictatorial executive. THAT is totally unacceptable here today. Maybe in Germany in the 1930 but not here and not without an outcry. Bram has every right to complain. And the greater Jewish community is exactly the right forum for Bram to air his views.
    Bram has my full support and if Lion FM loses the right to broadcast I know it won’t be his fault.
    I know should that happen – and that would be a terrible pity I know you won’t be attacking this Menachim character – someone else I don’t know and certainly don’t want to.

  • Gareth J says:

    Peter Hersh – You have the right in a “democratic” society to disagree with what you perceive to be my or anyone else’s arguments in a manner that may, at any whim, suit you.

    You have the right to agree with what ever soundbyte or unverified comments Bram may released via the various unmediated forums that may chosen to peddle and perpetuate radio station bashing .

    MAY I ASK – If the radio program was a LIVE presentation, then it may been a spectacle of sorts to see people have their show interrupted mid-way and having the presenter, produer and guests removed kicking and screaming from the radio station. (Somewhat like a landlord arriving to re-enter a leased premises with assistance of the police)

    HOWEVER if the program in question was PRE-RECORDED, then the whole assertion of “being removed mid-program” becomes that of embellishment and creation of a false perception of the actual series of events, if in this case none of the participants were actually present at the time of the alleged event.

    I appologise for and represent only my own opinion, and I have the right to air it – despite your obvious personal distaste.

    Lets look at your argument – you somehow relate this situation to 1930s Germany and european communist regimes, in what can only be seen as broad brush statements designed to capture a reader’s emotion with a quick quip – offering no hint of how this particular situation could possibly have ANY connection with your outrageous, if not humourous, attempts at drawing analogies.

    I do not know and have not met the people involved in this saga, however I see it as a simple case of a presenter refusing for some reason to sign a Volunteers Agreement, and using his blogs to have a whinge.

    In my present and past employment I was required to sign a Confidentiality Agreement, that protected the intellectual property of the Company. Is this what Bram was opposed to ? If he is a company director of any kind, he would insist on his employees signing similar documents. Now that this is a community radio station – do these protocols no longer apply ?

    In a court of Law, a Barrister will frame questions and arguments to convince a Judge or the lay people of a Jury of his/her view, rather then present an honest and truthful sequence of events. However in a court of Law, the proceedings are “there and then” and the opposing legal team will attempt to do the same – with THEIR version of events, and eventually the Judge or Jury will decide

    But this is all discussion on internet blogs and forums – places from which you can lob a comment and hide. It appears to me that perhaps in this case the truth may just get in the way of a good story.

    Obviously from your stated view that “Bram has my full support and if Lion FM loses the right to broadcast I know it won’t be his fault.”, you have no real interest in supporting the development of radio station at all, and perhaps be satisfied that you have had your 15 seconds in the sun.

    As I said in an earlier post, the planet and the solar system does NOT revolve around Bram Presser, you, or any other single person. If people choose to savagely challenge everything in a public forum rather than sit down and attempt to be co-operative and help resolve issues in a civilised manner (face to face) then this lack of civility will certainly contribute to the radio station’s downfall.

    ALL OVER 1/168th of the station’s total weekly program output.

    P.S. – while you’re talking of directions from dictatorial despots, and peoples’ opposition to such, may I ask your view on Government legislation that forbids smoking in enclosed places, that limits vehicle speeds in school zones, that imposes seat belts and water restrictions ?

  • Gareth, in attacking Bram in this forum it would be polite if you declared your interests in Lion FM or any people associated with it to the rest of us. Your anonymity is disrespectful to say the least.

  • Peter Hersch says:

    Gareth J
    I see you are afraid to state your full name.
    That’s what cowards do, right ?
    Do garteh j (the lower case is intentional)you have no idea how happy you have made me by agreeing that I and everyone else who has expressed an opinion in this forum has the democratic tight to do so.
    Your arguments are also show you to be the bully who hides in the dark as he is too cowardly to face you in the light of day. and YES, now I am personalising the argument. This sentence in particular irks me :
    “You have the right to agree with what ever soundbyte or unverified comments Bram may released via the various unmediated forums that may chosen to peddle and perpetuate radio station bashing “. Where ever did you pick up your debating skills ? Do not lose site of the factr this this a forum where people can read and re-read comments, take time to think of a response and then rebut your all encompassing statements.
    Are you seriously expecting me to agree that since the program was not live it was OK to yank it off air ? Do you truly believe that this makes it less of a censorship issue that if it was live ? To me it is actually worse, much worse. It is in fact cowardly!
    By the way, I am surprised you thought my comments humorous. I didn’t think you had it in you.
    I find it ironic that you accuse me of broad brush strokes. That in fact is your style of debate.
    But enough of this.
    Here are the facts:
    Lion is a Jewish radio station.
    It is not owned by a segment of the Jewish community, it is to be addressed at the broader Jewish audience be they right or left wing, religious or not, Zionist or not.
    I may not agree with all the views such a station would air but as they are the views of the community they are no less valid as the views of the executive committee who

  • Peter Hersch says:

    Gareth J
    I see you are afraid to state your full name.
    That’s what cowards do, right ?
    You gartehj (the lower case is intentional) have no idea how happy you have made me by agreeing that I and everyone else who has expressed an opinion in this forum has the democratic right to do so.It is very magnanimous of you to say so. Voltair would be proud of you.

    Your arguments also show you to be the bully who hides in the dark as he is too cowardly to face you in the light of day. And YES, now I am personalising the argument. This sentence of yours in particular irks me :
    “You have the right to agree with what ever soundbyte or unverified comments Bram may released via the various unmediated forums that may chosen to peddle and perpetuate radio station bashing “. Where ever did you pick up your debating skills ? Do not lose sight of the fact this this a forum where people can read and re-read comments, take time to think of a response and then rebut your all encompassing statements.
    Are you seriously expecting me to agree that since the program was not live it was OK to yank it off air ? Do you truly believe that this makes it less of a censorship issue that if it was live ? To me it is actually worse, much worse. It is in fact cowardly!
    Voltair said “Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices.”
    By the way, I am surprised you thought my comments humorous. I didn’t think you had it in you.
    I find it ironic that you accuse me of broad brush strokes. That in fact is your style of debate.
    But enough of this.
    Here are the facts:
    Lion is a Jewish radio station.
    It is not owned by a segment of the Jewish community, it is to be addressed at the broader Jewish audience be they right or left wing, religious or not, Zionist or not.
    I may not agree with all the views such a station would air but as they are the views of the community they are no less valid than the views of the executive committee who obviously have an agenda.
    I have not heard Bram’s program and I can’t say if I would like it if I did but I think it has become obvious even to you garthj that I abhor what was done and detest those who try to argue that it was OK to do what was done.
    NOT ON MY WATCH, garthj, not without venting my fury.

    It is not Bram who has started this argument by voicing his displeasure, it was the cowards that pulled the plug, smug in their mistaken belief that they are inviolate.

    I look forward to hearing an on air apology from Menachim whatshisname to Bram for the unacceptable way he was treated.

    Oh, I forgot you last comment.
    To ban smoking, speeding etc, in in the interest of the majority of the general community.
    As would be banning you and those you support.

    Bram, you are a lawyer, surely you can find something you can take him to task for!

    Go Bram ! (and the Saints ! or is that against Lion FM’s creed ?)

  • Bram Presser says:

    Like water off a duck’s back. Ad hominem (and nonsensical) attacks are the desperate last gasps of those without anything to say.

    As far as I’m concerned, people are free to say what they want about me and my so-called motivations. However, as Peter has correctly said this entire debate was not actually caused by me. I don’t understand why those with legitimate concerns about the future of Lion would be angry at what I did. I was simply trying to do my little bit to save the station from a small, agenda-driven cabal that are so intent on pushing their political agendas that they would prefer to see it collapse than allow in those with different views.

    If the license was revoked or not renewed, it would not have been my fault. I simply brought attention to some very serious issues with the way the station was being run.

    It comes down to this:

    It wasn’t me that wrote a volunteer’s agreement that is legally wrong and then forced people to sign it under threat of exclusion.

    It wasn’t me that was running the station contrary to its own constitution.

    It wasn’t me that left Lion with an empty program grid and scared away many good, experienced radio people who could have actually made it into something great in a very short time.

    It wasn’t me that forgot that the license was a COMMUNITY license, not a religious or private interest license. As was said in an earlier post, if someone wants to play Rupert Murdoch, then buy a private radio license and propagandise to your heart’s content.

    It wasn’t me that pulled the plug on an episode of my show because a viewpoint that was voiced that reflects the position of both Israeli government and 98% of views but not the extreme right who were running the station like it was their own fiefdom.

    I am glad that this debate happened and that it was so heated. There are now positive steps being taken, like the redrafting of the volunteer’s agreement to something more equitable and just as well as the gradual opening of channels between those more inclusive on the executive and those of us that want to grow the station with relevant, interesting, entertaining and diverse programming. I have no interest in running the station. I’m happy to leave that to those with the relevant experience and expertise. I just want to be left alone to do the best show I possibly can with my friend, the very talented Adam Krongold.

    For this first time since last week’s censorship debacle, I truly believe that the station will not only survive but thrive. And that is all I ever hoped to achieve.

  • Bram Presser says:

    Excuse the typo: In the third last para I meant to write “98% of Jews both in Israel and the Diaspora”.

  • Peter Taylor says:

    Bram, I have considerable community radio experience in Melbourne at an executive level. I have seen – and at times been part of – conflict over that time. As an outsider, I cannot know whether your claims are legitimate or otherwise. I can only give those claims the benefit of the doubt (experience has shown that these things DO happen occasionally). Firstly, I wish you well in your endeavour to right what you perceive to be an unjust wrong. Additionally, I would like to reiterate those wise words of Mr Radio and Brian Goldsmith that Lion is – for the time being at least – on very tenuous ground by means of a TEMPORARY broadcast licence. This type of licence can – and has been previously – revoked at ANY TIME by the ACMA. This is by no means an attempt to censure debate on this issue, rather, to advise all involved directly to maintain a safe course. ACMA WILL BE monitoring this issue, and WILL – if Lion is invited to apply for a permanent licence – seek comment on its progress. I grew up in Melbourne and know all too well the size and diversity of the Jewish community in Melbourne. I see many benefits in a station such as Lion for that community, but advise with all good intention, that this issue be resolved peacefully and professionally for the good of the stations participants and community of interest.

    I cannot leave a little light-hearted comment go begging, either. Might I suggest all those involved take a moment or two for a breather with a glass or two of Devondale? Sorry, Bram, couldn’t let that one go!

  • Bram Presser says:

    Hi Peter. Indeed, everyone should raise a glass of Devondale!

    I couldn’t agree more with what you said about the station and the license. That is why I am now at pains to make it clear that since this issue broke there has been considerable movement at the station (if you’ll pardon the pun) and that there is now a much more co-operative air about the whole endeavour. The ACMA rules are now being respected and there seems to be real promise that the station will be fully inclusive of the community’s diversity.

    Unfortunately, some of the group that had hijacked the station are still lashing out in their last desperate attempts to keep control. I just hope that they don’t hold their own interests above those of the community as a whole and do their best – as they have done thus far – to scuttle the license.

    I hope ACMA, if they are monitoring this, take note that there is a committed group of professional, experienced and very eager radio types who will make Lion a great station and a beacon of best-practice community radio.

  • Aussiebattler. says:

    Bram Pressor.
    I’m not familiar with the particular radio station, Lion FM, but I do know there are work place relation rules in Australia which outlaw bullying in the work place!

    To you and your fellow journalist, I say, good on you! Keep up the work for peace! I don’t have much time for lawyers, but you sound as though you would be a good human rights activist/promoter, and that would scare the living daylights out of some.

    Cheers.

  • Steve Brook says:

    Thus Bram Presser:

    “Unfortunately, some of the group that had hijacked the station are still lashing out in their last desperate attempts to keep control. I just hope that they don’t hold their own interests above those of the community as a whole and do their best – as they have done thus far – to scuttle the license.”

    Talk about deja vu! This description fits exactly the uproar over Community Radio 3CR back in the late 1970s. The irony then was that the station was largely an initiative of the Australian Independence Movement, one of the guises of the Communist Party (Marxist-Leninist), and had not been “hijacked”. Its aim ultimately was to work towards the Proletarian Revolution, Chinese style, though this was not a serious problem for the many genuine community groups such as unions and friendship associations which were glad to get some air time, no matter who was pulling the strings.

    Through pro-Palestinian affiliates, 3CR pursued a sulphurous Maoist line on the Middle East, attracting suspicions of antisemitism and the attention of the Victorian Jewish Board of Deputies, the community roof body at the time.

    This alarmed non-Maoist affiliates, which saw this policy as potentially suicidal for the station for it put the licence at risk. In the end, it was the non-Maoists who staged a coup, 3CR was saved from the “armed struggle” crowd and it’s thankfully still in business, nearly 40 years later.

    Is there a parallel here with Lion?

  • Larry Stillman says:

    You cannot compare the truth of Maoist absolutism with the truth of religious absolutism!

    And the Chinese had better radios than the ones used to listen to LionFM, those cheap radios made in…uh oh..

    Who swam the Yangtse? Who parted the waters?

    It as the one person.

    Moses-sea-tung

    I could not resist this bit of terrble humour, but I do look forward to hearing from Mr Khoen, but I think we won’t.

  • The Sensible Thing says:

    Good afternoon – this makes an interesting read.

    I am suprised there was enough agreement between anyone to even get the radio station on the air in the first place.

    The views are as diverse as they are interesting, it would be an interesting exercise to have some form of public open forum on the topic of Lion FM – not by internet – rather by a moderated debate style open public event, where people of differing views and opinions may speak.

    But then, given the passionately held views, such an event may lead to a physical brawl !

    I can’t see how Lion FM can have any hope of survival while people in the jewish community continue to aspouse and promote the idea of its closure. Another option for those not happy with the station’s management is to subscribe as members in sufficient numbers, change the constitution and take over control at the next AGM ?

    Good Luck Everyone !

  • On a side note, why is the postal address of Melbourne Jewish Radio Inc, as registered with ACMA, a residential address in Caulfield North?

    Client Number 1170663
    Organisation Name Melbourne Jewish Radio Inc.
    Postal Address 21 Glencoe Street Caulfield North
    VIC 3161
    ABN 68702711316

  • Larry Stillman says:

    I don’t think anyone is asking for its closure btw.

    We need as many open ‘channels’ in as many media as possible.

  • Malki Rose says:

    The Sensible Thing,
    You are 100% correct, the ideal course of action would be the subscription of members in sufficient numbers to effect the ideal change. ‘Ideal’ (being subjective) would of course be that voted on by the relevant stakeholders.

    Sadly, although work IS being done by some wonderful people, the station was established in such a way which precluded the ability of the ‘jew on the street’ to have his voice heard in any decisive fashion.

    All organisations set up as ‘incorporated’ need facilitate the election of a ‘board’ (including a president, vice-president, treasurer and secretary), as voted for by its members. As there is currently no ‘membership’ base, just hundreds of eager participants, this cannot occur.

    A membership, not just donor, structure needs to be put in place to remedy this.

    The constitution, although vague in parts, is not the problem.

    It is however the following three segments which seem to be the cause of disagreement.

    2.6 To promote the centrality of the State of Israel in Jewish life;
    2.7 To promote Zionism;
    2.8 To promote understanding and goodwill between Jews and citizens of other faiths;

    2.6 -‘Centrality’ – seems to be a very subjective term.

    2.7 – ‘Zionism’ – also can be felt in a number of different ways, both left and right wing, religious and secular.
    It is important to note that supporting a two-state solution is NOT anti-zionist. It is a humanist approach which suggests a right for both peoples to have a land and a national identity. Many extreme right-wing religious Zionists do, however, view any support of Palestinian right to exist as anti-Zionist.
    There is, in truth, only ONE thing which makes someone anti-Zionist.
    – The belief that Israel does not have a right to exist.

    2.8 – By failing to properly understand all the functions and extensions of 2.7, we fail to partake successfully in 2.8. If we would like gestures of goodwill to exist between the Jewish Community, then humanist remarks which support the Palestinians right to exist, cannot be quashed.

    Furthermore, the current executive were unwilling to support any active participation in this integral clause.

    2.2 To promote tolerance, understanding and dialogue within the Jewish community and the community as a whole.

    Mr Khoen made extremely clear to many individuals at the station at various times that he both detested Michael Barnett’s interview, which he did not intend to broadcast (despite it being tame, non-confronting and a very basic discussion on ‘what is Aleph? and Michael’s experience of being Jewish and Gay in the Melbourne Jewish Community), and further detested the involvement of any non-heterosexual individuals at Lion FM.

    When I left Lion FM, there was a full programming grid, with a slate of cultural, religious, political and lifestyle programs, inclusive of EVERY corner of the Jewish Community, there were 60 people ready and waiting to record programs and more than 200 waiting in the wings to get involved.

    After 4 months of dedicated hard work by my unrelenting, committed team and myself, the grid was stripped down as unacceptable, although it clearly fit every clause of the Lion FM constitution.

    As someone, my apologies for not remembering who, stated above, if someone wishes to push a single agenda or propagandise their views as a single truth, then they should invest in a private radio license and do so there.

    But to call Lion a community station at this point is simply untrue, as their are too many voices of this community which were simply not permitted on its airwaves.

    I commend Bram for bravely speaking out against the bullying and misappropriation of power, something which has been going on for some time. (Those who say that his speaking out does damage to the station are merely extending the arm of the bullying)

    There are still some wonderful people left at Lion FM, a small handful have been there from its inception and know all too well of the rubbish that has transpired. They have worked hard to build the station, to ignore the politicking and arguments, but as they have hopefully seen now, ignoring the rubbish doesn’t make it go away.

    These issues should have been dealt with along time ago, to avoid them snowballing as they have.

    Hopefully those who are fighting to effect the change can get this done in time to save Lion from its current “Leadership” and ensure that it has a chance to be awarded a permanent license from the ACMA, and become a wonderful voice for the whole Jewish Community.

  • Malki Rose says:

    apologies,
    my remark
    “2.8. If we would like gestures of goodwill to exist between the Jewish Community”
    should have read
    ” 2.8. If we would like gestures of goodwill to exist between the Jewish Community and those of other faiths”.

  • As per Malki:

    Mr Khoen made extremely clear to many individuals at the station at various times that he both detested Michael Barnett’s interview, which he did not intend to broadcast (despite it being tame, non-confronting and a very basic discussion on ‘what is Aleph? and Michael’s experience of being Jewish and Gay in the Melbourne Jewish Community), and further detested the involvement of any non-heterosexual individuals at Lion FM.

    I will be making a formal complaint to the ACMA regarding this behaviour.

    Michael.

  • The Sensible Thing says:

    Michael, I am not sure whether a formal complaint to the ACMA will assist in resolution of the issues that you present to it. In the first instance, may I suggest that interested people (perhaps as a group) in some formalised manner establish a dialogue with the Committee – to see how far that goes in establishing steps towards a workable solution.

    Malki, you will find that a community radio station is required to operate on an “Open Membership” basis for persons within the nominated community interest. This would mean that any Jewish person (and people who identify as Jewish). Therefore as a Member, a jew “off the street” has the same voting power at a committee election as a donor, a community leader, or anyone else – and therefore the same right to run for elected office in the Association – worth checking out ! However as with any other association, if you’re not a Member, you have no sa.

  • Malki Rose says:

    @ The Sensible Thing,
    Yes, I’ve spoken to several individuals about this, however there is a gap in the structure of the station whereby individuals cannot seem to figure out how to effect change via any existing protocols.. short of staging a coup or storming the Bastille.

    Questions which volunteers/participants (there are no official members yet, well not recognised by the executive at any rate) need answered include…

    Where is the membership base? Who is in charge of deciding what constitutes a member? If I’ve donated $18 does that make me a member? Can I now vote in an election? When is the election? How do we encourage an early election? What if we are unhappy with the way the station is being run? What if the current executive flat out refuse to answer emails or questions on any of these topics, or solve issues of bullying and discrimination when they are brought to them?

    This is what must be worked on now.

    Regarding a complaint to the ACMA,

    I agree, I don’t think that such a complaint will aid in resolving the issues either. Unless perhaps that complaint is submitted as a joint effort with those who are trying to solve these misappropriation issues.

    It all depends on why someone wants to lodge the complaint, and what they hope to achieve with such a complaint. And of course to consider whether the complaint will do more harm than good.

    I would think that the best approach would be to contact the remaining wonderful volunteers, starting with Bram, who are working hard to reverse the bigotry, and try and work WITH them in a more collaborative approach to rectification.

    As one ‘Anonymous’ poster (with a peace symbol) wrote earlier “with good will, cooperation and community mindedness, peace at Lion will reign!

    Let’s all try and keep that in mind.

  • Robert says:

    Please excuse me while I blow my nose. . .

  • Alex Dafner says:

    Yes sounds familiar, I had a “complaint” last week accussing me of using the terms “occupied West Bank” and “annexed East Jerusalem” in my Yiddish news reports, which is absolute rubbish as I have said in my detailed response. There is definitely a “pro-right wing Zionist, anti-media campaign” on..
    Regards,
    Alex Dafner
    Exec Prod – SBS Radio-Yiddish

  • Peter Hersch says:

    Robert, are you blowing towards Israel or away from Israel ?

  • Avigdor Melachi says:

    Mr Presser,
    I heard about your issue this weekend at Shul and I feel that you are making a spectacle of yourself and the Jewish community. Instead of speaking out in a public forum about a well loved and respected member of the Jewish / Israeli community, you could have gone to the Beth Din, who I am sure would have been glad to mediate this issue between you and Mr Khoen.
    So you know, most of my community was appalled with your actions and we are not part of Mr Khoens community or associated with it in any way.
    We feel you have taken the wrong path to sort out your problem and believe that an apology is owed to Mr Khoen.

    [Eds: Please only use one pseudonym per thread. Using multiple pseudonyms to create a false impression of a consensus is dishonest]

  • frosh says:

    Avigdor (is that your name, or is that just your king?),

    Other than the fact that the Beth Din has nothing to do with this issue, do you recommend the Beth Din because you think they did a great job dealing with the Mond case?

    Why is it that you are afraid of public discussion?

  • Bram, you call yourself a moderate but I feel your writings show a definite bias against anyone right of centre.

    I wonder, all of you (on the left) who claim you want the station to be representative and inclusive of absolutely everyone, if would you get your chance to be in charge, would you allow the rightist views to be aired? I highly doubt it, as I suspect all this posturing about being ‘inclusive’, is just what you are saying now to try and rid the station of the supposed ‘extreme right wing’ you so loathe. Then once you get in the driver’s seat, it will be bye -bye ‘inclusiveness’ and so-called ‘tolerance’ and, hello to the usual left wing politically correct anti-Israel bias and censorship.

    Anyone who is not a volunteer, and that includes those who used to be volunteers but are no longer, really has no right to agitate against the present board, policies, or contracts. To do so would be simply be interfering where you don’t belong. If you are not actively contributing to the station, if you are not rolling up your sleeves and actually doing something positive to make this work, then please bud out. If you are not volunteering but, are only being vocally (or in writing) critical about how badly things are being run, or are trying to agitate volunteers into a faction, then you are simply a divisive troublemaker.

    Anyone who reads these blog posts should not, if they have a modicum of common sense, think that this gives adequate information and a true picture of what is really transpiring at LionFM. Bram Presser is using slander, innuendo, sensationalism, and a lawyerly skewed and biased presentation of the ‘facts’, as he is only presenting his extremely biased side of the story. None of us can trust that his account is 100% accurate. In fact, he obviously has a few axes to grind, so he is coloring his story his own shade.

    Frosh, one could hardly call mainly anonymous venting on a biased blog such as this one the same as having a serious public discussion. And just because the Beis Din isn’t perfect, doesn’t mean it should be discounted all together as a venue for solving disputes as that is simply a ridiculous assertion. So, are you saying that we should not use Batei Din and instead rely on Galus Australis? Ludicrous!

  • Peter Hersch says:

    Shoshana,
    I have naught to do with Lion FM.
    I have naught to do with Bram Presser and God willing, I shall even less to do with you.
    Beth Din ? Oh come on ! Why not the AFL tribulanl then ?
    When what was perpetrated by an apparent megalomaniac is an attack on the rights of the broader community that I believe the radio station was supposed to cater to. Not to the limited audience the tunnel visioned autocracy in the control booth was aiming at. Or worse still, out and out censorship that has no right to be practised in our society.
    There is nothing wrong with a forum such as this as it allows outsiders to have a voice, a voice that else would not be heard.
    No Shoshana, what a forum like this does, is sow fear in the hearts of those that need to learn that Yes, they are accountable and even more so, yes there are repercussions.
    Shoshana, I am not wanting to get rid of the right wing but nor will I accept the exclusion of any other wing without a murmur !
    Lion FM must be free to be fair and fair to be free.

  • Peter Hersch, perhaps you read in a hurry, or you have a reading comprehension problem. I never said that there was anything wrong with blogging. What I did say is that it is not equivalent to having a serious public discussion as blogging is mainly anonymous venting. I did not originally bring up the issue of a Beis Din, it was another poster whom I was answering. I merely point out that Beis Din is far superior to a blog in terms of deciding who is correct in a dispute.

    Why do you believe Presser’s account? Most wise people know that there is always another side to the story.

    The left wing I have come to know over the course of my lifetime (I used to be one of them) is extremely biased and will not tolerate anything that is not politically correct so, I do not believe if they have their druthers that they will be at all tolerant and will be most totalitarian and will do their utmost to censor dissent as they have always done.

  • Anonymous says:

    Shoshanna,

    Intelligent debate being shut down and attacking the person instead of addressing the actual problem is how extremists on both sides seek to gain power.

    If you are in support of the death of open debate, then you should perhaps take some time out to study your history books.

    And perhaps while you are that, a bit of work on your communication style couldn’t hurt.

  • Gedalia says:

    Having just concluded a week long festival of Jewish unity to culminate the season of Chagim, I was pleased to see that things are back to normal.

    As usual personality based machloket in the Jewish community of Melbourne from those who are “holier than thou” makes all the Jewish communities of Australia look like a laughing stock in the eyes of the general public.

    I’d like to suggest that if this doesn’t get resolved a special radio station get set up to broadcast Yidcore 24/6.

  • That’s exactly what Presser did– he wrote an article that instead of addressing the problem in a fair and open manner, he made personal attacks on several individuals, thereby attempting to shut down debate in an attempt to gain personal power? attention? something, whatever he was after? Attack, made innuendos, smear, use legalise, evade issues, spread hearsay and rumours, he did all those things.

  • correction, yawn, it’s late, I meant:
    That’s exactly what Presser did– he wrote an article that instead of addressing the problem in a fair and open manner, made personal attacks on several individuals, thereby attempting to shut down debate in an attempt to gain personal power, or attention or something–whatever he was after He attacked, made innuendos, smeared, used fancy legal jargon, evaded issues, spread hearsay and rumours, he did all those things. Why anyone would see him as a credible source in this matter is beyond me. I guess some people want to believe what they want to believe. Ever stop and think that there is much going on behind the scenes you know nothing about?

  • Eli says:

    Firstly to quote from Shoshana’s Blog
    “vision of LionFM as being balanced, fair, Jewishly proud, tolerant, inclusive, and pro-Zionist.”

    Simply you cannot have all of those lumped together with a Pro-zionist agenda and expect anything balanced. Zionism purely a political concept.

    To quote from The Jewish virtual library, “Zionism, the national movement for the return of the Jewish people to their homeland and the resumption of Jewish sovereignty in the Land of Israel, advocated, from its inception, tangible as well as spiritual aims. Jews of all persuasions, left and right, religious and secular, joined to form the Zionist movement and worked together toward these goals. Disagreements led to rifts, but ultimately, the common goal of a Jewish state in its ancient homeland was attained. The term “Zionism” was coined in 1890 by Nathan Birnbaum.

    As you can see it itself is inclusive and makes no distinction between left or right. To be aniti zionist would be to assert that Israel has no right to exist. I doubt that any of the contributors here or most Jews for that matter would advocate that position. Why then is it necessary to define it in the Lion Fm Manifesto. It politicizes a concept that is a social vehicle not just a political mouthpiece

    There are however some other extreme views that would eventually take away from the Jewish nature of Israel. Surprisingly they are on the right side of the political spectrum.

    In a recent article in online JTA ” In one of the more curious twists in Israeli politics, prominent figures on Israel’s right wing have begun pushing for a one-state solution with Israelis and Palestinians as equal citizens with full voting rights.

    The one-state solution previously had been the preserve of the post-Zionist left, Palestinian hard-liners and left-leaning European intellectuals who envisioned turning Israel proper, the West Bank and Gaza into a single state in which the Palestinians soon would become the majority and assume the reins of government.’outspoken advocates in the Knesset are Speaker Reuven Rivlin and newcomer Tzipi Hotovely, both of the Likud Party.

    To add you should also include many religiously extreme groups such as Neturei Karta just to mention one. They see Zionism as it is today as a “secular zionism” They believe that the true Israel can only be reestablished with the coming of the Messiah and act accordingly.

    So you see Shoshana , you simply cant make a case that is black and white and call it left wing or right wing.By doing so you diminish the many and varied opinions, that for the most part are positive and supportive of an Israeli state. We all just see it slightly differently.

    Those opinions, like the mosaic of the rest of Jewish Diaspora itself , are all valid and have a place on a Jewish Radio station that claims to being balanced and fair.

    Your claim that if you are not a volunteer etc gives you no right as to the character of the station is pompous and shallow. As a member of the community it supposedly is going to represent I and others have a perfect right to voice an opinion. That there are others here who offer their professional wisdom from their own involvement with similar media projects should be read with objectivity rather than a total discounting of their contribution as “butting in”

    It is time you stopped being the self appointed moral judge of all that’s right or wrong and become more inclusive and accepting of vast ocean of opinions, which for the most part are in agreement abut Israel, however much they differ at the edges.

    Accept the fact that for most Jews, Judaism is cultural and social heritage not exclusively a religious one. The Jewish Community here and in the Jewish diaspora in general there are a dichotomy of groups from religious observance,political thought, through to sexual preference.

    A Jewish Radio station needs to be sensitive and representative for all those groups, except where their views would be seen as promoting violence and racism etc.

  • Eli says:

    Ps:

    Have the editors considered having threaded comments so that answers to a particular blogger can be entered and seen under the original comment, rather than 3 or comments later.

    Thanks

  • It’s easy to criticize while doing nothing, harder to actually work towards making positive contributions. Some people are speaking about issues without any first hand knowledge, and are accepting whatever Mr. Presser says as Torah from Sinai, without taking the time or making the effort to check out the other side of things, and therefore are ‘butting in’ their 2 cents worth as if they know it all, when they don’t. It is pompous for some of those people to behave as judge, jury and executioner all because of some hearsay or someone’s blog post.

    I too would like to see a pluralistic radio station. I think it would be most unfortunate if LionFM were to become another Israel bashing media outlet a-la the ABC. I have reason to believe (not through hearsay but on hands experience) that here in Melbourne the threat to diversity of opinion is coming from a faction that is working to suppress the conservative, traditional, and religious voice and, would love to take it over and make it into exactly that.

  • clarification-they would love to make it into a clone of the ABC as far as its Israel bashing.

  • Eli says:

    Israel Bashing is an emotive term. One can be critical of Israel and her policies without being constantly derided as anti Zionist or anti-semetic, . Israel as a democracy should be open to criticism if warranted. The criticism may not agree with some, but does not make it any less valid.Giving apposing views allows for constructive discussion. Stifling them based on a predetermined political narrative only invites more extreme and louder less productive discussions in other media. We cannot allow ourselves to be so precious.

    To date i have been unable to find out who the members of the board for lion Fm are. apart from those mentioned here on this blog and one has already resigned, As part of the transparency of this station those involved in an official capacity should be made public. Unless of course its such a big secret!

  • Bram Presser says:

    Dear Cowards and affiliated haters,

    Shabbos has just come out in Israel so I was glad to see the debate has raged on over the last couple of days.

    Here’s the thing I love about the internet. When you post on these forums, your IP is logged. So I am glad to let everyone here know that annoyed, devon and Avigdor Melachi have the same IP address which means that they are most likely either the same person or members of the same family. Well done. This has provided me with some great entertainment, the least of which is Devon’s comment on September 29, in response to their own comment written immediately above:

    “annoyed – agreed
    this seems like a personal vendetta”

    I’m glad the editors of Galus are wise to your game.

    Now, as for a beth din adjudicating: the license is a community license, not a religious one, and therefore the correct forum would be a mediator appointed by an Australian court. Alternatively, a highly regarded member of the Jewish community agreed upon by both parties to the dispute. That said, there were attempts to have mediation in this dispute before I came on board and they were expressly resisted by the executive. Despite it being in their constitution. I find it bordering on hilarious that those that shut out legitimate adjudication are now trying to push for it (albeit in the improper forum).

    I don’t think anyone would suggest that Lion FM should become a forum for Israel bashing. You need to let go of your siege mentality. It does far more harm than good. Lion, in as much as it should be political at all, should be a forum for robust debate about Israel. Informed criticism of Israel where it is warranted is not Israel bashing. I give Israel credit where it is due, and criticise where necessary. I do it because I love Israel and want it to be the most democratic, rights-respecting and respected country it can be.

    Now, Shoshanna, let’s be straight. You have no interest in a pluralistic station – all your comments clearly suggest that. You have a particular view and, as much as it boils my blood, you have every right to it. See, I am willing to listen to and debate you. You, on the other hand, have proven that you are not willing to afford those with a moderate view the same courtesy. And to answer your earlier question, if the left ran the station I’m sure they would absolutely allow the opposing view to be aired. They would never yank someone off air so long as they were not breaking hate speech laws and abiding by the broadcasting rules.

    One last aside. I like that, seeing you were patently wrong, and had the tide of opinion against you, you changed your view that I am a leftist extremist to just having leftist leanings. If I wait another week, will you let me into your exclusive club of far-right exclusionists?

  • Bram says, ‘if the left ran the station I’m sure they would absolutely allow the opposing view to be aired. They would never yank someone off air so long as they were not breaking hate speech laws and abiding by the broadcasting rules.’

    POPPYCOCK! No people more intolerant than the Politically Correct thought police!

  • Malki Rose says:

    To all and Shoshanna,

    As someone who has been very deeply involved in the inner workings of the station, I can say with utmost certainty that the kind of complaint that Bram has made is a ‘tip of the iceberg’ sample of the kind of fascist censorship that has been going on since day dot and has been delaying any positive progress for this communal station.

    That Bram brought his grievance to light in a public forum, was out of pure necessity. When similar complaints of this nature were made back in March and ever since countless times, they unfortunately fell on deaf ears, unanswered emails and ignored requests. As Bram has mentioned, attempts to reconcile and adjudicate these each were also evaded by the executive.

    There is still much work going on behind the scenes, that you are unaware of, in an effort to ensure that the faulty leadership structures are remedied and the station is given back to the community and remains a place where both right and left wing, religious and secular can have a voice.

    Your conspiratorial views about lefties wanting to take over and remove any religious or right wing voice are both laughable and unfounded, and perhaps says more about your own personal history as a lefty and what you know yourself to be capable of. Certainly your propensity for assuming everyone has conspiratorial agendas is far more befitting of an extremist lefty.

    In fact you, and many others who know me, are fully aware that as Programme co-ordinator I made darn sure that religious voices were heard as an absolute priority.

    The program grid catered extremely well for the orthodox community with an Orthodox Women’s program, a Talmud program, a Parsha discussion, a Chabad hour, discussion of Halachic issues and Avraham Fried music.

    Any Jewish group or individual, affiliated or not, religious or irreligious, right or left wing, who approached me to have their voice heard on Lion FM, was given a program.

    Neither myself, Bram, nor any other person involved in trying to keep Lion FM a voice for the WHOLE community, have ever conspired against anyone either right or left, religious or secular.

    Anyone who doubts this fact is free to contact me for a copy of the initial grid, the one the BOARD took issue with.

  • Maven says:

    Malki,
    But you quit the station. You are no longer a volunteer. Why do you care? You want to come back?

    There are things going on which you know nothing about especially since you are no longer active.

    There could have been many reasons the board took issue with your grid. I won’t speculate here. Suffice to say, if you sincerely want to resolve things, I don’t think you would be blogging about them. Sounds like there is alot of bitterness to vent and sour grapes happening.

    I know you want to include an Orthodox woman’s show as you originally approached me to do one and I appreciate that. But you may not realise that there are others, not yourself or Bram, who have as their dream a totally PC station. I know for a fact that there are those who want to see only PC shows and consider anything to the right of centre or religious as sexist, racist, homophobic, etc, and do not want them to be on the air. I also believe that these individuals will use the good intentions some may have to to be fair and open in order to gain favour, then try to gain a foothold, and have their extremist policies take hold. Don’t be naive and don’t get used.

    WOW! It’s so late.

  • Malki Rose says:

    Shoshanna,
    Firstly, you are no Maven, a word which originates from the hebrew for ‘L’Havin’ – ‘to understand’. You clearly have no understanding of what is going on.

    Thats quite an assumption you make that I am no longer active. Again it illustrates that you have no clue what is going on.

    Despite the fact that you obviously have a lot of experience with left-wing extremism, probably from your years of involvement with it, it would be best if you didnt proj

  • Malki Rose says:

    (apologies to all, server dropped mid-post)

    …project those experiences on to what is going on at Lion. Unless you plan on returning to your left-wing extremist ways, there is little for me to fear or be naive about.

    There is no sour grapes or bitterness, but rather alot of positivity about what has yet to be achieved.

    It’s a shame really that you dont share this optimism.

  • It was meant to show my name Shoshanna Silcove, not Maven, I had a computer glitch and have no idea how that word got there instead of my name.

    Nevertheless, Malki, it is not I who has no idea what is going on, no need for you to get snarky and personal.

    Yes, you quit, months ago, and it was announced as such to all. Now you say you are working behind the scenes to undermine the present board’s efforts. Not a nice way to go about things, not in line with making positive contributions, in fact, pretty divisive and disruptive, in my view. You want transparency and accountability when you have neither yourself. Who are you being held accountable to while you work from the outside? Why would you expect people to trust you if you work in such a surreptitious manner?

    I think there are many questions that need to be answered here Malki, and the board are not the only ones here that need to be scrutinized.

    And I have heaps of optimism so don’t make assertions about my views without asking me what they are first.

    At the end of the day, I am merely interested in honesty and fairness and do not approve of using blogs for sensationalism, rumours, slander etc. as a method of ‘improving’ things at the radio. It makes me highly suspicious that the motivations of those who do so are not as pure and high minded as they claim, but that there is alot of ego and power mongering going on, you included.

    I will continue to make my own program and will back out now of this discussion, unless of course you insult me which case I might have to defend myself against being the next target of your ‘improvemening’ of the station.

  • Peter Hersch says:

    Shoshana
    There is only ONE way your post would carry the Maven name. You and I – and everybody else, knows you got caught out.
    Perhaps the cat walked across your keyboard while you were looking at the dictionary ?
    And you still have the nerve to show your face here ?
    And expect any one at all to believe a single word you write ?
    You have no credibility at all after this faux pas followed by your “I have no idea how it happened” explanation.
    You can maybe come back as third person……………

  • michael says:

    The Jewish left wing Israel bashers already control and influence the Universities now they want to control the Jewish radio waves.

  • It was 5 AM , I was tired. So what if I wrote Maven by mistake? I used that name another blog and it got typed here. Big deal. And I did have a computer glitch last night. My computer kept going on and off then wouldn’t download GA, and then when I tried to change the name it was too late. But I corrected it as soon as I could.

    By the way, I kinda like the name Maven, it’s cute dahlink, if you know what I mean.

    Stop being petty, mean and snarky and making me the issue instead of the issues. Some of you bloggers are just mean and love to throw little darts from behind your rocks.

    anyway, as I said, nothing more to say about all this. I will keep doing my own program on Torah and women, and hope the station survives and we can spread the light.

  • yes michael, they also control 99.9% of the media, but they are not happy with that, they also want to use our little corner to spread more of their anti-Semitic hatred, but I daven that it won’t happen!

  • Malki Rose says:

    Yes Shoshanna/Maven/?/Insert “real name”,

    It’s all a big conspiracy and there are lots of evil motivations lurking. Where secret meetings take place in underground lairs.

    That must be why I so insultingly and suspiciously offered you a program of your own on Lion FM.

    Must have been that I was up to something sneaky and surreptitious.

    Lesson learnt, I think we all see now that there are just some people you can’t do good for.

    What a shining example of a repenting Jewess you are.

  • michael says:

    These Left wing Israel bashing Jews are the best advocates the Palestinians have!

  • michael says:

    ”It’s all a big conspiracy and there are lots of evil motivations lurking. Where secret meetings take place in underground lairs.”says Malki..

    no Malki no need for all that, they take place at Jewish University Study departments when all the academics are left wing Jews , they take part on the dozens or more Jewish left wing Israel bashing blog sites such as AJDS, IAJV, JAO we even have our own Gay Jewish Israel Basher with his own anti- Israel Blog site, we have High profile Jewish QCs who use Human rights as their front to bash Israel and support the likes of Loewenstein,we have left wing Jewish youth groups
    There is no conspiracy or hiding in underground lairs if these left wing Jews could use the Radio station to further influence Jews to look at Israel in a negative light and help the Palestinian lobby even more than they currently do they will try.

  • michael says:

    we even have our own Gay Jewish Israel Basher with his own anti- Israel Blog site

    Kindly elaborate.

  • michael says:

    Oh touchy aren’t we Mr Barnett I was referring to Manni De Saxe with comments like ISRAEL COMMITS MURDER IN INTERNATIONAL WATERS ,

  • Thank you for taking the time to fill the blanks. My psychic powers are not so good.

  • Malki,

    You and Bram and company have a viscous tone and are not interested in truth. Your resorting to personal attack is petty, mean, vindictive, and takes attention away from the issues.

    You ought to try some repentance sometime, it is good for the soul.

    Bram wrote this article in the first place to be provocative and stir up public sentiment against the board, and not to solve things.

    So stop making up stories and making up stuff to suit your cause. There are people among your group who are going behind the scenes and telling people not to volunteer with the radio or give donations. How is this helping to build the radio station? How are these despicably destructive actions helping the community? These are not the actions of honest people who have the good of the community station at heart, but of bitter people with an agenda of control for their own personal reasons.

    By the way, I heard that Menachem Khoen never once made any comments that he is not in favour of having Michael Barnett’s show om and neither did he make any anti-gay remarks. This is just another lie being spread. Also, the whole story about Menachem Khoen throwing Bram out of the station is quite embellished and fitionalized too. I also heard Bram has agreed to sign the present agreement. Another lie? What is fact and what is fiction here? Hard to tell.

    You Malki, quit months ago because you had a fight with another volunteer, this was public knowledge, and has nothing to do with your program grid.

    A conspiracy is when two or more people cooperate, so there is you, Bram, Eva, and who else? So I guess according to that definition there is a conspiracy.

    As I said, I am bowing out, said my piece for now, and this time I mean it. You can make all the snarky, mean, petty, personal insults against me, my computer, my name, anything you want, it won’t change the fact that you and Bram and your little tiny group of dissatisfied individuals are not going to undermine, usurp, or replace the board, not now or in the future. LionFM will do fine with or without your input.

    And and yes, you did ask me to do the frum women’s show. So, you want a medal for being so open minded and inclusive? So nice of you to tolerate the frummies.

  • Peter Hersch says:

    Raven, or is it Maven/Shoshana
    I think your comPuter has had another glitCh.
    You say :
    “use our little corner to spread more of their anti-Semitic hatred,”

    It seems you are following two forums and poste and d the above on the wrong one.
    Maybe you buy a new PC ?
    But enough of personal battles; let me ask you a question:
    Seriously, do you believe it was acceptable that a show was pulled off the air during the show?
    Do you believe that doing so while the presenters were not there was the right thing to do ?
    Let’s leave everything else out of the argument, just a yes or no if you can, please !
    There are many issues involved in this incident and they seem to grow with every post but this is the issue that I arguing.

    And michael, I resent your attack on people not involved in this argument. I know Jeff Loewenstein and he is real stand up type of guy ! Leave him out of it. Is it the fact than unlike you he, has a surname that irks you ?

  • Avigdor Melachi says:

    Dear Eds and Mr Presser,
    I to run a forum and I am aware of IP logging. I am not sure how much you know about the internet but in order to post my comment I used a proxy. This cloaks or hides your IP address so that your comments can be truly anonymous if you wish them to be. You can search for free proxy and you will probably get to the same proxy that I use. The biggest in the world I may add. Anyone who uses this proxy will appear to be using the same IP address. Please feel free to verify what I am saying. If you would like you can check the origin of the IP address I am using.
    All I wanted to do was to post a comment.

  • Malki Rose says:

    There is no group, there is no conspiracy, and no i don’t want a medal. I gave you the benefit of the doubt, despite the protest of others.

    Bzzz, wrong again. Still lacking any actual knowledge of what went on, or is going on.

    But a nice try.

    My reason for quitting is exactly what Bram has brought to light now, the bullying that was going on, the dishonesty, the lack of transparency, the failure of the executive to address issues of internal bullying and inappropriate behaviour, lack of proper leadership structure and the executive’s unwillingness to communicate honestly with the people working hard with a wonderfully mixed group of Jews and non-Jews to build a great Jewish community station.

    And all of those people who have worked so hard for so long, so thanklessly, while being kicked in the gut, deserve thanks, support and co-operation.

    I hope and pray, to the same G-d as you, that they will continue to get the support and co-operation they deserve.. and this community deserves.

  • Malki,
    You gave me the benefit of the doubt, for what reason? That I wouldn’t make a decent radio show? I think I have made some decent shows. While not everyone’s cup of tea, it has its growing audience and they have given me great feedback that they enjoy it very much.

    I have done absolutely nothing wrong! I have not done anything that is at all dishonest, or unethical, nor I have been playing politics, unlike some others on this blog. Neither have I resorted to mean, petty, snarky, personal attacks, though I wish I could say the same for you and Bram. All I did was express my opinions that were contrary to yours. And so, what’s wrong with that? I thought you were in favour of diversity, but I guess maybe you define it as when it agrees only with your view of things.

    So what would you need to give me the benefit of the doubt for anyway? That I would be submissive and behave? In other words, you gave me the benefit of the doubt that I would tow your party line, and alas, to your disappointment I dared voice differing views to yours.

    Give it up Malki.

  • Aussiebattler. says:

    Maven, mavin, meyvn, seems to have its origin in Yiddish, “one who understands or a self-proclaimed expert…. hmm, I think Shoshanna fits the latter.

  • Malki, I will make one personal comment. From what I know of you, you are not a person who will be bullied. You are not exactly a shrinking violet, so I find it extremely hard to believe that you were bullied. And if by any small chance you were bullied, you would surely have been able to stand your ground, handle it, and end the bullying them and there. So while there may have been some animated and maybe heated discussions with the board, I do not believe you are anyone else was a victim of bullying. This bullying charge is really bulldust, and just an attempt to smear your opponents and set yourself up as the poor innocent vulnerable victims. You, a fragile victim of verbal abuse, Malki? That is really funny.

  • Michael Barnett, the slander and character defamation you have on your Mikey Bear website against anyone who has an opinion you don’t like is definitely bullying! And this is according to the info on the link you yourself posted!

  • Peter Hersch says:

    Maven/Shoshana/Computer glitch,
    You are diverting the debate to other issues.
    Feel free to start another thread about your brilliant radio program which, if I follow this correctly – is still on the air. With a growing audience no less. Could that be because the number of programs being broadcast have decreased; I wonder !
    But in this thread we are not discussing you. I know you are, but we are trying not to.
    All you are doing is showing us outsiders that there is a lot of dissent in the ranks where you do as you are told by the autocrap in charge. I know I would not put up with it and like Malki, resign. Yet I am anything but intimidated by bullies as you suggest Malki to be.
    Sounds like a truly harmonious place to spend your time as a volunteer !

  • Peter Hersch says:

    Sometimes spelling mistakes result in words that illustrate one’s thoughts far better than the correct spelling.
    I of course had autocrat in mind.

  • Eli says:

    From the ACMA website

    29 June 2010
    ACMA issues temporary community broadcasting licence for Melbourne City area

    The Australian Communications and Media Authority has issued a temporary community broadcasting licence to Melbourne Jewish Radio Inc (MJR). The licence is for twelve months from 14 June 2010 to 13 June 2011. The service is to meet the community interest of the Religious – Jewish community in the Melbourne City RA1 licence area.

    Um can someone please explain why earlier posts regarding the conditions under which this license was issued refuted the religious nature of the application. Unless of course the ACMA considers it (Jewish) as an affiliation to a particular ethnicity rather than a practical observance.

  • It’s a religious license, not ethnic or cultural, or anything else.

  • Larry Stillman says:

    Eli’s post is disengenous, because it does not quote the incorporation documents of the station. I am reposting an earlier post.

    I also encourgae all and sundry to particularly read the ACMA document, http://www.acma.gov.au/webwr/_assets/main/lib310667/community_broadcasting_participation_guidelines.pdf
    and here is a relevant quote

    “Licensees do not encourage community participation in program selection where all programming decisions are concentrated in the hands of one individual (station manager or program coordinator, for example) or a small group.

    So long as a licensee is adequately encouraging community participation, it is unlikely the licensee would be found to be in breach of this licence condition if members of the community are not involved in program selection. However, if the ACMA were to investigate a complaint, it might be necessary for the licensee to provide evidence of the strategies used to encourage participation in program selection and there might be a question as to why the licensee’s strategies were ineffective. ”

    If I were from ACMA at this point looking at what is being disputed here, I would be seriously concerned about the station’s health

    See http://www.lionfm.org/mission.doc

    It is ALSO not religious licence (and in any case, the issue of ‘religion’ and is a highly debatable one in terms of eg which denomination represents a true ‘Judaism’, and in any case, the issue of Jewish/Judaism being all too narrowly defined. Zealots and Sicarii are going to spear themselves in the foot or have done so already on both religious grounds and the abandonment of tolerance and multiculturalism, IMHO.

    It may well be that the current actions of Lion FM against certain groups and individuals are actionable under anti-discrimination leglislation. I leave it to others to decide if that is the case.

    1. Statement of Purpose
    1.1 The name of the association is Melbourne Jewish Radio Inc. (“the Association”)
    1.2 The Association shall have the power to do all such things as in its opinion shall be conducive to the implementation of the below purposes, aims and objects and without limiting the generality of the foregoing it shall have power to raise funds, to hold land on any tenure, to accept gifts, legacies and devises, to purchase and to sell any real and personal estate, to execute trusts, to engage and dismiss servants, and to enter into contracts and no action by or on behalf of the Association which is not contrary to these Rules shall be invalidated as being ultra vires.
    1.3 The Association shall foster the unity of the Jewish community and strive for the fulfilment of its aspirations and ensure the continuity and development of its religious, spiritual, cultural and social heritage and to that end its purposes, aims and objects shall be-
    2. Objects
    The Objects for which the association is established are all or any of the following:

    2.1 To broadcast programming, of relevance to the Jewish community of Melbourne including news, music and discussion;
    2.2 To promote tolerance, understanding and dialogue within the Jewish community and the community as a whole.
    2.3 To promote unity of endeavour and of action within the Jewish community of Victoria;
    2.4 To encourage and assist the development of Jewish social, religious and cultural life in Victoria;
    2.5 To perpetuate the memory of the victims of the Holocaust and to promote understanding of the Holocaust;
    2.6 To promote the centrality of the State of Israel in Jewish life;
    2.7 To promote Zionism;
    2.8 To promote understanding and goodwill between Jews and citizens of other faiths;
    2.9 To act in conjunction with other bodies to provide facilities for and to assist generally Jewish education in Victoria;
    2.10 To administer any relief or other fund which may be received in trust or otherwise for any of these aims and objects;
    2.11 To apply for membership and participate as a constituent of the Jewish Community Council of Victoria;
    2.12 To co-operate with any organisation having aims or objects similar to these aims and objects;
    2.13 To raise monies for and to apply the same in carrying out these aims and objects;
    2.14 To aapply for and maintain a community broadcasting license;
    2.15 To acquire, equip, maintain, manage premises for use as a broadcasting station by and for the Jewish community of Victoria;
    2.16 To transmit and develop programmes of cultural, educational and social significance to the Jewish community;
    2.17 To establish communication and liaison between the ethnic communities and broadcasting groups in order to achieve through broadcasting an exchange of information and ideas, greater understanding of the diversity of cultures within the Australia community as well as to promote multiculturalism, and community languages and to combat antisemitism and racism.

  • If they really had a good case against the board, they wouldn’t be blogging about it. The fact that they are resorting to blogging to vent shows they are frustrated. If they do want to try and get the station shut down then they are real low lifes.

  • Malki Rose says:

    Correct Larry,
    However even before individual executives may/may not be queried for violating anti-discrimination laws (as these are simple case of heresay/some peoples word against others), there are several more immediately provable and very easily remedied breaches of ACMA code.

    The following needs to be implemented, and be made readily available to the community, immediately to prevent MJR (Melbourne Jewish Radio Inc) from being cautioned or having its temporary license revoked.

    – A membership policy (which indicates the precise nature/manifestation of the term ‘membership’)
    – A participation policy (Which demonstrates clear and irrefutable participation from the relevant ‘community’)
    – A sponsorship policy (which details clearly the distinction between advertising and sponsorship, as per a community radio station)
    – A complaints & conflict resolution policy (which details exact procedures to be followed by volunteers, members AND the EXECUTIVE, to deal efficiently and appropriately with complaints and conflict)

    It is important that the executive, ensure that these are in place ASAP to prevent the cancellation of a license.

  • Anonymous says:

    Shoshanna, if Malki supported you in having a show, despite your extremist views, why are you so angry? I read both Malki and Brams story as accounts of personally upsetting experiences for volunteers who are trying to build something they believe is good for the whole community.

    Bram clearly felt very strongly about the situation and wanted the community to be aware of as it is, after all, a community station. But despite all the conflicts, he also wrote the show is still on, resolution happening, and things are moving in a much better direction.

    Maybe you are fearful of the ‘left’ from your own personal experiences in that place yourself, but i think your fear is without cause with these people. I only hear genuine good intent in what they are saying even if I don’t necessarily agree with their politics.

    It would give me confidence to know that Lion – whoever is given the job of running the station is indeed doing what the Constitution above says: ‘promote tolerance, understanding and dialogue within the Jewish community and the community as a whole’

    That sounds far more interesting and useful for our community than the aggression that is happening here!

  • Reality Check says:

    I mean really: This radio station was set up by some orthodox right-wingers who think they have all the answers, just like the settlers in the west bank and what a fine mess they have gotten Israel into. I have only listened to this station once and found it utterly boring.

    The only problem is that non-Jewish listeners will think the Jewish community is a bunch of right wing crazies, so it would be nice to get some balance. But asking for balance from the religious right is pretty much impossible.

  • Some useful information for this discussion:

    From the “Guide to the Allocation of Temporary Community Broadcasting Licences (Radio)”

    Part 5 – COMMUNITY BROADCASTING LICENCES

    9 conditions applicable to services provided under community broadcasting licences

    (2) Each community broadcasting licence is also subject to the following conditions:
    (a) the licensee will remain a suitable licensee;
    (b) the license will continue to represent the community interest that it represented at the time when the licence was allocated or was last renewed;;
    (c) the licensee will encourage members of the community that it serves to participate in:
    (i) the operations of the licensee in providing the service; and
    (ii) the selection and provision of programs under the licence;
    (d) the licensee will provide the service for community purposes;
    (e) the licensee will not operate the service for profit or as part of a profit-making enterprise.

  • michael says:

    Shoshanna you are dealing with some heavy duty leftist extremists on this blog site and if you don’t toe their party Arabist, anti- Zionist line you will be shouted down and bombarded with leftist propaganda.
    If I was you I wouldn’t bother responding to them as these people are too set in their ways and do not tolerate any Pro _ Israel or Pro Zionist views.

  • I don’t have extremist views. I am not angry I just don;t like when people are being dishonest and destructive. I am entitled to have opinions different to Malki even if she did initially suggest I do the show.

    This is not all about Bram’s or anyone else’s hurt feelings.

    Also, I do not think that Bram’s account is without bias, prejudice, and embellishments. I don’t like when people make up stories, spread rumours, slander etc., in order to promote their own personal agenda or grind their own axe.

    I have worked with the board and I like and respect them as people. They’re good hard working dedicated upfront guys, more than I can say for the disrupters who sit and post venomous and poisonous blogs about them,

    There are some misguiied individuals who feel that the, and not the board members, should be calling the shots, and they will do anything, even if it means getting the station closed down, to try to get their way. They will not succeed in the end. I don’t want to see these misguided individuals destroy the station or turn it into another anti-Semitic anti-Israel media outlet because we have enough of those. That is it in a nuthsell for me.

  • typos corrected: There are some misguiied individuals who feel that they, and not the board members, should be calling the shots,

  • Eli says:

    Larry,
    First of all the correct spelling is disingenuous.

    Are you saying that I was being naive or deceitful?

    I simply posted the issuance subject because it contradicted an earlier post, Shoshana obviously thinks it is religious as others also do.
    So I wanted clarity both as to the nature of the application and how it determined the nature of the programming. That is why I posed the question if the AMCA viewed the application as specifically Religious, meaning observant or it understood it as catch all phrase for those that have an affiliation to being of a Jewish ethnicity.

    I agree that the issue of religion is debatable as you put it, but not to the outside world. For most non Jews however it is a religion cut and dry. Hence its listing as it appears on the site.

    Perhaps I should have suggested people visit the site as you have,but that omission certainly doesn’t warrant being labeled “disingenuous”. It presupposes that I was purposely trying to mislead. which I was not.

    What I am saying is that there are inconsistencies,suppositions and contradictions between the Lions mission statement/Statement of Purpose, the AMCA guidelines and the realities so far.

    The mission statement includes in paragraph 38

    38 Broadcasting
    38.1 The Association shall broadcast programmes at such times and with such frequency as the Committee may determine from time to time but in no event shall it broadcast on:
    38.1.1 Shabbat;
    38.1.2 Rosh Hashana;
    38.1.3 Yom Kippur
    unless it shall be on such terms and conditions as shall be determined by a Rabbi nominated by the Council of Orthodox Synagogues Victoria (“COSV”)

    I myself have no problem with that in principle, however for others it would be seen a religious (not traditional) verification of a religious point of view.

    It includes in its mission statement as well “the promotion of Zionism and Israel”. Again I have no issue with these subjects as discussion points for broadcasting but to have them ensconced in the mission statement is a political issue,not necessarily a Jewish one.

    The station nominates the COSV as it’s religious reference in matters. Therefore it denies the views and opinions of a large segment of the non orthodox synagogues and thereby its membership.

    This flies in the face of the earlier paragraphs that include

    To broadcast programming, of relevance to the Jewish community of Melbourne including news, music and discussion;
    2.2 To promote tolerance, understanding and dialogue within the Jewish community and the community as a whole.
    2.3 To promote unity of endeavour and of action within the Jewish community of Victoria;

    The Station has already become divisive, and I am not surprised given the aforementioned incongruities.

  • By the way, not only am I not an extremist, but Malki never asked me what my views were and we never discussed it, not ever. We’re neighbors for years and we never once talked about EY or Zionism, even when she asked if I wanted to go on the radio. All she said was that out of all the frum women she knew, I was the one who she thought was the best candidate for the job. Now she regrets it only because I have an opinion different from hers.

  • The station is not divisive, there is only a small vocal minority on this blog and a couple of others who are trying their level best to make division –they will G-d willing, fail, big time IMHO.

  • Larry Stillman says:

    Eli, forgive me for the spelling error, but in addition, in the very long list of posts and the cut and thrust, I got confused about who is saying what so I misinterpreted you.

    You spell its ‘it’s’ which is equally a sin, in fact a worse sin, because it is a shorter word and should therefore be less subject to error.

    But you do in any case, point out some of the Mission Statement details on matters of religion, operating hours etc. which may or may not be what all people involved in the station think or thought they were involved with, and particularly, how a more orthodox viewpoint can contradict some of the more open mission statements.

    But in any case, this is getting more and more complex, because it involvesa secular authority (ACMA) potentially needing to seeking guidance from a religious authority (the synagogue council, beth din) over matters of freedom of expression to do with religion, politics and aesthetics, when that religious authority is not recognized by all people, though it may be taken very seriously by some.

    It is a fascinating prospect.

  • Peter Hersch says:

    I actually find it very sad to assume that Shoshana and Malki are no longer friends. A perfect example of how a “non divisive” radio station brings people together.

    Oh, wait……………..

  • michael says:

    It just shows you how divisive the left is trying to divide Jews over Israel.. J street perfect example

  • As far as I am concerned we are still friends, we were never close, just acquainted and neighborly, and we still are, as nothing’s change from my end. I can agree to disagree with someone without hating them

  • For all you people who gripe about the issues, and fret about the license, etc, all from hearsay without being involved, and how the station is boring etc, I suggest you actually do some work towards making is succeed (hey, that’s a novel idea!) instead of sitting around moaning and groaning, you know what…you’re boring YAWN

  • Peter Hersch says:

    Shoshanna,

    Not the impression i got from reading your (plural) posts though I certainly hope it is so. Friendship builds the bridges, not censored radio programs.

    Just looked at your web site. It is very good. Gives an insight into your persona. Not too encouraging if one is looking for unbiased thinking.

    But I must give credit, where credit is due. IT IS IMPRESSIVE.
    I admire your commitment.

    Now, I’m off to flicks !
    I hope you don’t have anything against the Jewish Museum.

    Oh and by the way, love the music being played on LION this afternoon.
    Wish I could speak Hebrew.

  • Thanks for the nice comments Peter. I never said my blog wasn’t biased, I admit I am opinionated (see my profile) I love museums and flicks too!

  • Eli says:

    @ Larry…sorry I really should not have been so petty with the spelling error….without spell check I am at a grade 2 level…so once again apologies. I think we both agree that there is still a lot of work to do to get this right and make it a station for all Jews

  • I refer to the “Community Radio Broadcasting Codes of Practice 23 October 2008″.

    “The Codes do not replace the licence conditions in the Act; they are complementary and we are legally obliged to follow both the licence conditions and the Codes.”

    2.5 In all station activities and our behaviour we will oppose and break down prejudice on the basis of ethnicity, race, language, gender, sexuality, age, physical or mental ability, occupation, religious, cultural or political beliefs.

    3.2 We will attempt to avoid censorship where possible. However, in our programming decisions we will consider our community interest, context, degree of explicitness, the possibility of alarming the listener, the potential for distress or shock, prevailing Indigenous laws or community standards and the social importance of the broadcast.

    I’d like to hear some robust discussion about Lion FM’s legal requirement to abide by this Code of Practice, with particular reference to the complaints and allegations made by Bram Presser and Malki Rose.

    Michael.

  • michael says:

    I wonder how many of these drop kicks ever listen to Arabic and Muslim radio stations and object to the non stop anti Zionist, Anti American, anti – Semitic and unashamedly one sided pro Palestinian/ Arab /Muslim rhetoric and propaganda and complain to the authorities.

    I know don’t tell me ” we are better than that” the usual left wing diatribe ..

    Why don’t Presser , Stillman,Barnett and their comrades set up yet another left wing outlet to criticize Israel and Jews instead of wanting to hijack the only outlet not run by these crazy left wing extremists, who by the way do not represent the majority of our Jewish community.

    When I see Jewish so called Human rights, civil rights advocates spend the same energy and time criticizing other ethnic communities who unquestionably defend their own people I will take these Jews serioulsy, Until then they are a bunch of hyeprcrtical wankers that just like to hear their own bullshit !

  • Ilana Leeds says:

    B’

    I am really glad that Michael Barnett has had time to look into the anti-bullying websites that I have posted on some of my blogs or did I spark an interest in the topic for him?
    It seems he has a few issues to work through himself and he is projecting a lot of his anger and hatred onto me by his defamatory posts on his blog. I have been there and done that Michael. I have big shoulders and have moved on from the victim mind set. So should you.

    I have at no time called for discrimination or hatred against people of any sort. I believe in peace and a interactions that are controversial are a part of life.
    In the last parsha Bereshit that has just been, G-D divided between laylah (nighttime) and yemama (Onkelos) which means daytime rather than yoma which is a twenty four hour period. Why do you think that this is? Because they say that G-D saw that it was not good for darkness and light to operate in confusion. Torah also states that G-D saw the light is good but there is no comment about the darkness? So why did Hashem not say that darkness was good?
    Perhaps here we are led to understand that the nature of the light is different. It is also understanding, vision and all seeing prophecy such as revelation, whereas darkness is viscous and covering and in darkness one lacks vision,clarity and is in a state of stagnation. With light one moves forward and develops.
    Let there be the light of understanding in all this controversy because that is the function of separation and controversy to somehow come to a meeting of minds and move on. Tomorrow is a new day, nu?

  • Malki Rose says:

    Michael Barnett, (as the other ‘michael’ is insisting on chasing his tail in a room where only him and his tail are present, and his tail is decidedly off topic)

    The allegations have been discussed and explored and quite frankly, it is much like beating a dead horse. These allegations are all hearsay and being that they are extremely difficult and energy consuming to take someone to task on, I believe that the current most constructive, positive and forward moving course of action is to proceed with what needs to ACTUALLY CAN be done. There are several more immediately provable and very easily remedied breaches of ACMA code. Which the executive have the capacity to fix.

    These need to be implemented, and be made readily available to the community, immediately to prevent MJR (Melbourne Jewish Radio Inc) from being cautioned or having its temporary license revoked.

    – A membership policy (which indicates the precise nature/manifestation of the term ‘membership’)
    – A participation policy (Which demonstrates clear and irrefutable participation from the relevant ‘community’)
    – A sponsorship policy (which details clearly the distinction between advertising and sponsorship, as per a community radio station)
    – A complaints & conflict resolution policy (which details exact procedures to be followed by volunteers, members AND the EXECUTIVE, to deal efficiently and appropriately with complaints and conflict).

    If this is done, in time to save the station then members, participants, board members and stakeholders will be able to amend (where appropriate) the constitution and ensure unity and tolerance of views and differences at Lion.

    But I say again… this must be done as an absolute priority.

  • Malki, who made you in charge? Do you think the board doesn’t have lawyers? And you think putting this on a blog is a solution? Seriously chutzpahdike!

  • Bram Presser says:

    I’m not sure how much clearer I can make this:

    Neither I, nor any of the people who have come out in support of what I originally wrote, are “Israel bashers”. To merely criticise Israel is not Israel bashing. Indeed, I would hope that all Jews, whether “Zionist” or otherwise, would be interested in making Israel the most upstanding, rights-respecting, proud and successful nation it can possibly be. At times, this requires one to put out issues for discussion and debate. I understand that those on either side (right or left) may not be happy to hear what the other has to say, but robust debate is a necessary element of meaningful progress.

    The bottom line is that I feel as a member of a traditionally persecuted minority, it our duty to stand up for those less fortunate than us. My compassion is not limited by national borders.

    Unfortunately, those living with a paranoid siege mentality feel they must use epithets like “Israel-bashers” to demonise those of us with opposing views. “Michael” (another anonymous coward) says those of us who espouse a view other than their insular on are the best advocates Palestinians have. What alarmist rubbish. I am happy to advocate for Palestine because I believe that a two-state solution is the only way to peace, I want to respect both sides’ right to self-determination and, hope you’re sitting down, don’t think this is a ‘far-left extremist’ view. Unless of course Netanyahu, the Israeli government and 98% of Jews in Israel and the Diaspora are ‘far-left extremists’.

    Also Eli, just to clarify what is meant by “RELIGIOUS” in the license granting statement of June 29. “Religious” is not intended to imply “dogmatic religion”, but rather to identify that the group granted the license share a religion. It is for the “Jewish” community. And within that community there are a multitude of voices. The idea of community radio is to allow all of them to be heard, so long as they do not breach hate speech laws and accord with ACMA and other broadcasting rules.

  • Peter Hersch says:

    michael without the surname,
    You have the right to your views.
    You don’t have the right to enforce them in a radio station that is supposed to cater to the whole community.
    Your stance may well result in the loss of the broadcasting license and that would be a tragedy. The other tragedy would be your immediate accusations that we the dissenters were responsible.

    It would appear to the reader that you guys are reading from a script. Not only that, you’ve got the wrong manuscript.
    You are just repeating your accusations of a left wing plot even though the issues are totally different

    Shoshana seems to be the only one who actually engages but you are all making statements totally irrelevant to the topic while taking every opportunity to attack the opposition.

    I am surprised that so far no one from the Jewish Gay community has entered the fray. They could take the board to task for discrimination.

    Oh, and michael without the surname – please watch your language.
    Just in case you’ve missed it:

    Be nice. Keep it clean. Stay on topic.

    hooroo…………

  • Bram, we may be going off topic here but in response to your post:

    I do not believe Bibi really wants a two state solution, he is only giving it lip service. It was recently reported he suggested a phase by phase process whereby the establishment of a two state solution would not oiccur until 2040. This accomplishes the following: 1) by not taking a strong stance against a two state solution it gets Obama off his back at least a bit 2) it gives Israel heaps of time to make sure that all measures towards a Pal state ensure complete security for Israel, and at the slightest security breach, Bibi can pull back from the moving forward without losing face 3)but in reality I believe Bibi does not want a two state solution at all because he has not changed his mind from his past statements that he believes, and rightly so, it would mean the end of the Jewish state. So, he is dancing around and playing diplomatic games with the most hostile anti-Israel President in history.

    It’s a long time till 2040, and Bibi knows that if Israel keeps building, and if Israels plays her cards right, the Pals will self destruct long before they can call any territory Palestine.

    IMHO a majority of Israelis are not in favour of a two state solution. And we see that they are overwhelmingly against Obama who is pushing extremely hard for this.

  • I’m Midnight Mike I run a show on Lion FM on Thursday nights from 10pm till 4am.

    It is not Anti Religious, Anti Zionist or Anti Semitic, I just play good House and Dance music and yes I already rate even though the show has been repeated several times.

    With Lion FM 96.1 main idea behind it is to Entertain then educate not the other way around and I will do just that.

    Till the Dawn (another music show) is doing the same thing Entertaining (Jewish and Non Jewish) people which, is one of the main things this station is about.

    There has never been a problem with the content of either of these shows by the executive of Lion FM although some members have said it is probably not their style of music and the Jewish youth will love it.

    I cannot understand all this fuss as I have broadcast over 4 shows already without any negative feedback.

    Anyway tune in on Thursday nights from 10pm.

    Kind Regards,

    Midnight Mike

  • Anonymous says:

    Shoshanna, in the spirit of giving credit where it is due, I applaud that you are now engaging in meaningful and reasoned debate. IMHO I think you are in denial that the majority of Jews want a two-state solution. I also don’t think Obama is the most anti-Israel President, though I will grant that he appears to be the most pro-Palestinian. Herein lies the crux of the issue. The two are not mutually exclusive. One can be both pro-Israel and pro-Palestinian. That is actually how I would define myself.

    That said, this whole part of the debate is, as you say, off topic in this context. This is about Lion FM. The debate we are having would be fantastic to have on the air. And it would be great if both of us were allowed to espouse our respective opinions. That is the beauty of a station that is inclusive of the diverse voices in our community.

  • Bram Presser says:

    Hi, all. Just declaring I was the anonymous above. I just did a cache cleanup

  • Steve Brook says:

    Shoshanna and a couple of others here say approvingly that Bibi’s tongue is in his cheek when he says he supports a two-state solution. Would those people come clean and admit that they really think the answer is to ethnically cleanse the whole of the West Bank (for starters) of Palestinian Arabs — and to hell with what the rest of the world thinks? I have met a number of Jews who think this, though nothing like a majority.

  • chaiim says:

    Haven’t you people heard of Google ?

    The ACMA press release of 29 June 2010 could not be more explicit as just what community Lion FM was licensed to serve:

    QUOTE
    29 June 2010
    ACMA issues temporary community broadcasting licence for Melbourne City area

    The Australian Communications and Media Authority has issued a temporary community broadcasting licence to Melbourne Jewish Radio Inc (MJR). The licence is for twelve months from 14 June 2010 to 13 June 2011. The service is to meet the community interest of the Religious – Jewish community in the Melbourne City RA1 licence area.
    UNQUOTE

  • Ilana Leeds says:

    B’H

    I think we all know a two state solution is unworkable. The best solution is Jewish sovereignty in the land and that includes Shomron – Judea and Sumeria as well as the Golan Heights which Israel would be totally suicidal if they were to plan on giving back. For that matter a true Israeli state should include the Sinai and one day it will hopefully. Arabs can live peacefully along side Jews and if they don’t, well they do know what they should and can do.
    Barak Obama is definitely a pro Palestinian President and by that fact really not a great friend to Israel. Now is the time to stand strong on many issues and Israel must do so and not capitulate willing in order to win friends and influence people. They will garner more respect by standing firm.
    Do not know what was on Moshe Dayan’s mind in 1967 when Israel was in a magnificent position to consolidate her position in the world arena and did not.
    I think the majority of Israelis and Jews know deep down that the two state solution is no solution at all but only preparing the ground for more trouble.
    Ok I have to go to sleep.

  • Ilana Leeds says:

    B’H

    Actually I made a mistake. I should not have said give back but give away. You only give back something that was not yours to begin with, so in effect land in Israel is being given away.

  • Hi Peter,

    I am surprised that so far no one from the Jewish Gay community has entered the fray. They could take the board to task for discrimination.

    What am I? Gehachte Leber? :P

    Don’t worry, I’m following this quite closely. I have excellent connections as far as this is concerned, and the station won’t be getting away with an iota of discrimination.

    I earlier stated I was submitting a complaint to ACMA about the alleged attitudes of the station vice president toward my interview and “non-heterosexuals”. I’m revising that thought at the moment as I am developing a more productive and ultimately more effective strategy to deal with the situation.

    Stay tuned.

    Michael.

  • michael says:

    Here we go to show you the true colours of this extremist left wing Blog now we have Stillman’s comrade from AJDS Steve Brook who are participating in the Boycott of Israel caimpagn along with the Palestinians and Socialists.
    Sol Where is the other third musketeer Salbe whose big claim to fame is he has been fighting for Palestinian rights for 35 years.

    We can really expect some fair and balanced input from these guys..

  • Morry says:

    Just read all the posts. The issues seem simple enough.

    1. A group of of people put up a bunch of money, organised an antenna and a studio, and applied for a religious license.

    2. They also organised an incorporated group to own that license, and have set conditions to reflect that religious nature of said license. They have opened the radio station to the non-religious community, but with the proviso that their religious tenets be respected, and have set those tenets out in detail. Just as you wouldn’t expect a Catholic station to transmit specualation that Jesus never existed “in order to air all views”, so your expectations here can’t be too unreasonable.

    3. Lastly, now that somebody else has put it all in place, we, in the finest Jewish tradition, have a set of benkelchappers eager to dictate what the station must be. These people are prepared to go to court, to the ACMA, to destroy the license, all because they feel it must be run their way, or no way.

    The questions I must ask are simple. Will you, Bram, Larry, Michael et al be putting up the money and finding another studio for Lion FM when the current financiers are gone? Keep in mind that once the corporation is disbanded, the license is gone, so you will also have to put in years of, possibly fruitless, work to obtain another. If, by some miracle, that license is retained, how exactly do you intend to convince the ACMA to make a religious license permanent, when you ensure that the very issues that would qualify for a religious license, cease to be aired? There is precious little religious content as it is, not much Jewish as yet either.

    Might I suggest a little less revolution, and a little more evolution might be the way to go. Marx may have envisaged revolution, but in my experience, the Marxian dialectic works best through evolution, through people working with each other and building mutual trust, and ultimately all things, including Lion FM, find a natural state, a wonderful compromise position that nobody envisaged, but better than either position.

    Of course you can stick to your guns, throw out the baby with the bath water, and squander yet another opportunity away. I guess the choice is yours. I know I don’t want to go down on record as the person who shot down the one chance this community has to set up a community radio station … I doubt that it will come again.

  • Peter Hersch says:

    Gchachte Leber ? Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
    Sorry, in my haste I could not find your post though I did think I read something about Aleph in the early parts of the debate.

    Hole Crap, Batman, you gotta step in an help, I am being overrun here !

    There is as much relevance to the topic at hand from some of the latter posts as the colour of my push bike. (Green) And this makes me want to also post something off topic. See below, with apologies :
    http://aroundthebayfundraising.com.au/?PeterHersch

    Thanks.

    Now back to the grind.
    My views are decidedly Pro Israel. I don’t want Israel to be anything other than a non colonial DEMOCRATIC country.I am not Christian, Muslim, Budhist, Hindu etc, I am Jewish though not observant. It is not up the likes of you lot to decide whether I have the right or not to voice my opinion in this forum and champion the cause of a non affiliated, all encompassing radio station. I do not for a minute advocate going to the authorities but I see no reason why I should not stir the pot.
    If there is a constitution – and there is, it must be adhered to.

    I don’t advocate equal time for all facets of our community but I expect they all get the chance to be heard – if they want to be. This debate started out about a single moderate voice being shut out. It has become something entirely different.

    I am discouraged !

  • Morry,

    In your reading all the posts did you overlook Bram’s last post?

    You state:

    1. A group of of people put up a bunch of money, organised an antenna and a studio, and applied for a religious license.

    2. They also organised an incorporated group to own that license, and have set conditions to reflect that religious nature of said license. They have opened the radio station to the non-religious community, but with the proviso that their religious tenets be respected, and have set those tenets out in detail. Just as you wouldn’t expect a Catholic station to transmit specualation that Jesus never existed “in order to air all views”, so your expectations here can’t be too unreasonable.

    Bram wrote:

    … just to clarify what is meant by “RELIGIOUS” in the license granting statement of June 29. “Religious” is not intended to imply “dogmatic religion”, but rather to identify that the group granted the license share a religion. It is for the “Jewish” community. And within that community there are a multitude of voices. The idea of community radio is to allow all of them to be heard, so long as they do not breach hate speech laws and accord with ACMA and other broadcasting rules.

    What part of that did you not understand?

    Michael.

  • michael says:
    October 4, 2010 at 3:07 am
    Here we go to show you the true colours of this extremist left wing Blog now we have Stillman’s comrade from AJDS Steve Brook who are participating in the Boycott of Israel caimpagn along with the Palestinians and Socialists.
    Sol Where is the other third musketeer Salbe whose big claim to fame is he has been fighting for Palestinian rights for 35 years.

    We can really expect some fair and balanced input from these guys

    to the above I say this:
    In relation to the Jews among us who barrack for the Pals/Arabs:
    It is not possible to ‘love’ everyone equally. We human beings love our own families more than we love strangers. That is natural. Who ‘loves’ everyone equally? Who is indiscriminate in whom they share themselves with, in their loyalties? Whores! Prostitutes! They are sad, sick people who belong to no one yet go to be with anyone. A person who loves their spouse, their family, is loyal to them and will defend their own first, especially if another family is trying to destroy theirs–then a loyal person, a person who cares for their beloved ones will do everything in their power to protect them.

    We Jews are a family. These people who give you all this high sounding gobooldygok about loving ‘the universal family of man’ are full of bulldust because when it comes down to it, like a whore, it means they ‘love’ and are loyal to no one, least of all their own.

    We are in an existential fight for the existence of Israel, which at the end of the day, also means a fight for the existence of our people, against an implacable foe bent on our destruction, and they are aided by a complicit Jew-hating world. At the end of the say, it comes down to us against them. I know this sounds black and white and raw to some of the pseudo-sophisticated left wing ‘open minded’ progressives (did I just hear someone call me a ‘raaaaacist’?), but it is the true and brutal reality of the world we live in.

    There are at least 22 Arab countries in the world. They are run by horribly backward autocratic oil wealthy despots who could easily if they choose to, absorb millions of displaced Arabs. Look at history and you will see that commonly nations absorbed peoples of their own ethnic background time and time again when there were border disputes and wars, except for the Arabs–they let their own people rot instead–and this is Israel’s fault, why exactly? But they don’t want to absorb them, since it serves their purposes to allow their own people to suffer in limbo rather than help their ‘Arab brothers’. Yet, because of anti-Semitism, and because there are millions of our own people who have a low self esteem from being hated over the centuries and want to curry favour from the gentiles, we have a large contingent of our own ‘whores’ who are happy to take the blame for the Arab crimes against their own people, even to the point of seeing the blood of our own people run in the streets, or having our own state destroyed. G-d please help them do teshuva!

    If it comes down to our survival and well being depends on displacing our Arab enemies, then we have an obligation to defend ourselves. Unless of course we allow ourselves to be run by the whores who would let their own nation perish.

  • Back to the topic of radio:
    There are a handful of individuals who are ringing up people telling them not to be volunteers, telling people not to make donations, contacting the authorities to make complaints, all because if they cannot run the radio station, if they cannot be in charge, then they will destroy it.
    These people pretend to have the good of the community at heart, but their true motivations are ego-driven and that is the reason that choose revolution, not evolution, destruction instead of building.

    It would behoove them to keep in mind that there is a G-d who runs this world and that ‘there is an Eye that sees and an Ear that hears, and everything is written in a book,’ and that while they may be fooling some people, they are not fooling Hashem.

  • Ilana Leeds says:

    B’H
    Wow, this debate is getting bitterer and bitterer by the day. A pity people can’t get over the fact that we are going to disagree as people on many topics but pull together for a common GOAL.
    For goodness sake, we have enough enemies without creating more within and should agree to work together on something as positive as a Community Radio station. If there are people ringing other people telling them not to donate, not to volunteer, making complaints to authorities to harass all because of the ego problems of the person or persons involved who can’t be ‘big chief Sitting Bull (nearly added a h in one of those words), then SHAME ON YOU!’ You are prepared to destroy a top community initiative because you can’t be the top dog. SHAME ON YOU!

    And Michael Barnett – what a little ego you have! What are you really about? Getting your little agenda through at whatever cost to others it seems. Perhaps you need to read more anti bully site materials and I can recommend Evelyn Field’s very good book called Bully Blocking At Work. You will find it very interesting reading. I can imagine though from the following statement you made you have a very one eyed agenda at hand though and I quote:
    Don’t worry, I’m following this quite closely. I have excellent connections as far as this is concerned, and the station won’t be getting away with an iota of discrimination.

    ‘I earlier stated I was submitting a complaint to ACMA about the alleged attitudes of the station vice president toward my interview and “non-heterosexuals”. I’m revising that thought at the moment as I am developing a more productive and ultimately more effective strategy to deal with the situation.’
    What is that strategy Michael and it sounds as though you have real issues of a personal nature to work through.

  • Larry Stillman says:

    Shoshana. I am writing an article on hate speech for Galus. You have provided a splendid example of hate speech

    “Unless of course we allow ourselves to be run by the whores who would let their own nation perish.” All in the name of religion.

    Excellent

    I can’t be bothered with the inaccurate accusations made against me, Steve Brook, and Sol Salbe by you and Michael chicken who won’t name himself.

    Sad behaviour.

  • Coming from you that is a compliment!

  • Larry Stillman,
    Of course you would never think to write an article pointing out the hate speech of the Arabs that is spewed from their mosques, their media, day and night against Jews, because you are not loyal to your own people. You made my point exactly. You are silent in the face of daily vile hateful anti-Semitic propaganda being spewed out in heaps of racist invective by our own media like the ABC, by Arab media, teaching small children to believe in genociding your own people (if you are indeed a Jew?), teaching them to love jiahd, teaching and preaching that the Jooooos are the vermin of the earth to be destroyed. What about that HATE speech Larry? Doesn’t qualify enough as hate for you to get a mention or, do you not care about the hate against Jews? Or do you hate Jews too?

  • Anonymous says:

    Ilana do you read you posts before you hit submit ?
    You just did what you said others should not.
    Enough with the vitriol folks, lets discuss the topic rather than mutilate each other.
    We all have personal issues to work through but they are irrelevant here and now.
    Bigotry is showing here big time.
    Leave sexual and political orientatio out of this debate.
    .
    The topic is:
    Is it OK to kill a radio program in the middle ?
    Is it OK to do so because the top face on the totem pole does not agree with the topic ?
    Is OK to do when the presenters are absent as it is not a live show ?
    Is it OK to force presenters to sign agreements that give the station far too much power over the presenter ?
    Those are the issues that I believe Bram wrote of.
    Can we keep to that please ?

  • As per Anonymous (just now):

    Is it OK to kill a radio program in the middle ?

    I posted a comment yesterday that outlined some of the legal obligations of the station.

    Clearly the station has a legal obligation to avoid doing this as much as possible.

    It’s not up for debate as to whether it’s OK or not.

    The discussion I was hoping to ensue following my post was about how the station does not have free license to censor its presenters, and that it has an obligation to oppose and break down prejudice on the grounds of, amongst other things, sexuality.

    These are not negotiable, despite what some people on here or at the station may want.

    It’s really very clear, straight forward and simple.

  • michael says:

    TO Anonymous.. a SOLUTION

    StilLman , Presser ,Barnettt % Malki should invest their own money and put what ever assets they have on the line start their own radio programm and they can take the direction of the program as far left as they want and bash Israel as to their hearts content.

  • tired of all the drama says:

    Peter – please dont be discouraged. Your posts have been on point , in a good spirit and very welcome.

    people are put off particiapting in this discussion (and others) because they are likely to be persoanlly attacked.

    there’s a kind of informal roster of peopel willing to take these hateful views on, one debate at a time.

    stay with it – there’s a silent support squad out there Im sure!!!!!!!

  • Anonymous says:

    Michael with no name and no clue !

  • Mr Radio says:

    All I can say is WOW!

    After all this arguing, most of you cannot see the forest from the trees.

    It’s simple.

    Make sure you are encouraging people to sign up as members.

    Make sure there is a programming sub-committee to ensure there is a spread of programs representing ALL walks of Jewish life.

    If not (and this is a warning Shoshanna), you will NOT be granted a permanent licence.

    Your licence is highly sought after. There a many different types of groups out there that would LOVE to have that licence.

    So, Lion FM better pull their finger out, because I’m seriously considering about phoning someone who has the contacts and finances about starting up a “general community” station for the 96.1 FM frequency that would welcome EVERYONE.

    If anyone who is rejected from Lion FM would like to be part of this idea, then just leave me a way to contact you.

  • Anonymous says:

    May I ask who Mr Radio is ?

    I ask that because I think you ahev the authority to say what you did and would like to underline your warnings.

  • If not (and this is a warning Shoshanna), you will NOT be granted a permanent licence.

    and that is what you want, isn’t it?

  • Steve Brook says:

    Oh boy. Under fire from both Michael No-name Brand and Shoshanna! The fundamental thing you people ought to realise is that when a radio broadcast goes out, it reaches a random audience. Lion FM is not inaudible to non-Jewish ears, any more than this blog is invisible to non-Jewish eyes. To random readers, Michael and Shoshanna come across as bigoted and near-paranoid, not as a shining example of Jewish wisdom and tolerance. Given the preponderance of their mindset on the other side too, it’s no wonder that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict seems as far from solution today as it ever was.

  • sorry for the typos:
    . To random readers, Michael and Shoshanna come across as bigoted and near-paranoid, not as a shining example of Jewish wisdom and tolerance

    How would you know what all those readers out there think? You clairvoyant or something?

    It has been my experience, and the experience of many others, that religious Jews who have pride in their heritage and who stand up strongly for Israel’s right to self defense are far more trusted and respected than Jews who are snivelling appeasing cowards, traitors, and apologists for blood thirsty Arab terrorists

  • If this leaves you cold as Yid then you are truly without a shred of ahavas yisroel:

    http://www.lindasog.com/public/terrorvictims.htm

  • Yeah, it’s just paranoia (see my previous post’s link)

  • Steve Brook says:

    Oh, and Shoshanna — the AJDS has never ignored the use by certain Arabist sources of obvious antisemitic propaganda, often of Nazi German origin. We have more than once mentioned that the Hamas Covenant is based on and in fact quotes from “The Elders of Zion”, and that this is a serious obstacle to the peace process. The AJDS is neither pro-Palestinian nor pro-Israeli, but pro-negotiation — perhaps a forlorn hope in the circumstances.

  • more here:

    http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism-+Obstacle+to+Peace/Palestinian+terror+since+2000/Victims+of+Palestinian+Violence+and+Terrorism+sinc.htm

    yeah, there is nothing to look at hrere, just a few paranoid extremists making much ado about nothing, huh?

    Steve Brook, You really live in la-la land.

  • Morry says:

    Michael (Barnett)
    In response to your question, you and Bram can try to spin it any way you like, but the press release of June 29 couldn’t be clearer:

    29 June 2010
    ACMA issues temporary community broadcasting licence for Melbourne City area
    The Australian Communications and Media Authority has issued a temporary community broadcasting licence to Melbourne Jewish Radio Inc (MJR). The licence is for twelve months from 14 June 2010 to 13 June 2011.
    The service is to meet the community interest of the Religious – Jewish community in the Melbourne City RA1 licence area.

    That would be “Religious-Jewish” as opposed to “Secular-Jewish”. So, as I said before, we are all being given use of this radio facility by the license holders, but being asked to respect the “Religious-Jewish” criteria as defined in their incorporation document. Ultimately the license holder gets to decide material, and whether it transgresses or risks the terms of their license, no matter how much you want to have all the rights, but for them to only take the risks.

    I still don’t see you offering to resolve the problem by standing up to shoulder the financial burden of running the station … you just want those who do fund it to have no say, but for that to be your prerogative.

    The bottom line is we can have a wonderful informative, entertaining, unique community asset in Lion FM. It doesn’t have to be all things to all people, but whatever it is, it is far, far better than no radio station at all. Those who insist on moulding it in their own image, ignoring the stated purpose of the license will ultimately destroy it.

  • Morry,

    In response to your question, you and Bram can try to spin it any way you like, but the press release of June 29 couldn’t be clearer:

    I strongly dispute your interpretation of this ACMA media release.

    Look at this ACMA document “Community Interest Report” published June 26 2010.

    It lists a table of community radio stations and their community of interest. There are two categories for “Religious”, namely “Religious – Christian” and “Religious – Islamic”.

    Now we have a “Religious – Jewish”.

    Nowhere in the table is a “Religious – Christian (Catholic)” or a “Religious – Islam (Sharia)”.

    Take a few minutes to look at the categories in this document. It is very enlightening, and hopefully will help remove the confusion in your head and that of anyone else who wishes to claim ownership of the “Religious – Jewish” licence that has been granted to MHR Inc.

    I would assume the ACMA does concern itself with the definition of “Jewish” and so there is no way you or anyone else can interpret this differently.

    Michael.

  • Correction to my last sentence. That should be “… does not concern itself …”

  • To Bram, Malki, and company,

    While all of you moaners, groaners, whiners, and complainers sit and blog, there are those of us who are actually doing something positive to build the station. More and more people are giving money, support, and making new shows everyday. Despite you, and without all of you, it is growing and expanding. You are not even a blip on the radar screen as far as your influence or impact on the running and future of LionFM.

    All these supposed legal/discrimination issues about the station are poppycock and amount to nothing but a tempest in a teacup. LionFM is not going to lose its license over any of it, nor will it be shut down. The present board is in charge, and you won’t change that.

    Meanwhile, myself and others are actually dedicating our time, energy, hard work, and creativity to making positive contributions. So, have your fun and enjoy your moaning and get all hot and bothered under the collar, while LionFM succeeds without you.

  • Steve Brook says:

    I live in La-la Land? Shoshanna — how do you get around the basic statistic that in the ongoing Mideast tragedy, Palestinian Arabs have been dying violently at around SIX TIMES the rate as Israelis? Oh, I see — they deserve it!

  • Anonymous says:

    Never argue with idiots, people won’t be able to who is who !
    I’m out !

  • Anonymous says:

    that of course should read:

    people won’t be able to tell who is who !

    It ain’t me Babe !

  • I submit an interesting observation that seems common to all conversations on Galus Australis and likely elsewhere.

    Whenever an intelligent comment is posted, whether it be a statement of provable fact or a link to an authoritative source (non-religious), there is always a comment from one of the predictable players who deflects the conversation off into some generally useless and/or irrelevant direction.

    Rather than answer the relevant argument or conversation, the strategy of choice appears to be to change the topic, to avoid being exposed as biased, wrong or outright foolhardy.

    Has anyone else noticed this behaviour?

    Michael.

  • Peter Cohen says:

    It concerns me when Larry Stillman writes that “Lion FM will be broadcast according to Halacha”. How many responses or commentaries will you find on radio broadcasting in the Talmud?

    I assume from this that you do not wish to cater for the Progressives, the vast majority. I do not wish to argue with the meaning of Jewish law, suffice it to say that I consider the Progressive version more correct than the so called “Orthodox” version. Regarding the question of Israel I do feel that in any public broadcasts we do have to be sensitive about how we criticise the only Jewish State, and be careful with those who run an extreme agenda, on either the left or the right. Bearing that in mind I would like to see open discussion on issues which affect all Jews and also some items of general interest for all Australians.

    If the contracts are outside of normal broadcasting standards or intimidating professional journalists and broadcasters then we need some sensible discussions.

    I would like to see Lion FM succeed and show we are acceptive of the hallowed Australian (and Jewish) tradition of a fair go.

  • Larry Stillman says:

    Peter, before I am accused of anything akin to being Atilla the Hun and telling lies about the station, I did not say this. :)

    It was said by someone else associated with the station, Menahem Khoen.

    this appears on e
    http://ajnwatch.blogspot.com/2010/05/response-from-lion-fm-re-shabbat.html

    Further to our earlier post re the new Jewish radio station Lion FM, we have received the following message from Menachem Khoen – a member of its board:

    I want to clarify that Lion FM will be broadcast according to Halacha and from its inception, it was decided that it will only be broadcast according to Jewish Law. We will be doing everything in accordance with our orthodox Rabbi’s approval.

    If anyone wanted to hear the full story, they could have come to our publicly advertised meeting on Thursday night where these issues were discussed.

    Yours sincerely,

    Menachem Khoen
    Vice President, Lion FM

    AJNWATCH comment: We are pleased to hear that this new station will be operated under Halachic guidelines (whether or not our earlier post in any way influenced this decision).

    The lesson to be learned from all this is that organizations – and indeed individuals – must take care in the wording of their announcements so as not give the mistaken impressions. Eg, in this case stating: “a Jewish radio station 24/7”.

  • Malki Rose says:

    Hi Morry,
    Having worked with the board, I can tell you that the station was not set up to be religious per se. This issue of wording is something that perhaps would need to be taken up directly with ACMA, and why they choose to word the type of license thusly.

    The station was set up to be pro-Zionist and pro-Jewish. Nothing more. The individuals who set it up wanted it to be a voice for the whole Jewish community, except, in the case of those who seek to be anti-Zionist or anti-Jewish.

    Yes the board, rightfully so, have certain things that they will not tolerate being said on air or behaviours they are unwilling to allow. This is allow wonderfully helpful and needs to be in place so that it can function.

    The issue is that what those behaviours, views etc are is unclear, as the constitution remains vague.

    I am told by a representative of Lion that Bram’s interview was not cut because of the views he expressed, but rather because of the fact that he had not signed the volunteer agreement. The board had already agreed unanimously that those who do not sign cannot go to air. Unfortunately it was the president who chose to veto the board without them knowing and allow the interview to go to air.

    Had the board have heard the content of Bram and Adam’s show, they may have had a problem with its content. But it would be conjecture to suppose what may have been.

    I agree in principle Morry, that if a group of people with their own money, set up an organisation and receive a license for a station for THEIR community, then it is not up to ANYONE to come along and attempt to mould it into something to serve their own needs.

    The issue is that the views and goals of the station are not concise

    Certainly those of us who have been involved for many months and at many different levels have all had made clear to us that LION is for ALL voices.

    IF, and its an IF, this is not the case, and LION is designed for something quite different, such as only for right wing views, or only for the religious or only for israelis, or is anti-pluralism, or anti-gay, or anti-humanist, then that would need to be MADE CLEAR by constitution, and by the board.

    Then, all the volunteers and participants who have/are participating/ed under different pretenses would step away and go and do something else.

    Thus far, the board have not indicated such things in any policy or documentation. They have instead indicated, very vaguely, that the station encourages unity, dialogue and tolerance.

    However individuals who act within the station don’t all abide by that.

    The board of any incorporation must have a strong set of policies, written down and available to all so that they can be followed.

    If there are no proper rules, no clear policies, no structures in place, no members but just a board comprised of people who act behind each others back, then it makes it difficult for people to know what is what, and the station has little hope of success.

    I would like very much to see Lion succeed. Very much.

  • Another STATION ? says:

    the idea proposed by Mr Radio is to split Jewish radio into two seperate broadcasting groups. Take that line and you will ruin any chance of jewish community radio in Melbourne for at least 10 years – even possibly handing Muslim radio a walk in for any such future community licence. Mr RADIO your proposition is meaningless garbage !

  • Why would anyone on this blog have any issue with the station promoting halacha? oooops! Silly question! Halacha’s not ‘progressive’ enough for them, after all, those brissim are so barbaric! These leftie guys would rather it be under sharia, of course! Yeah, they would much rather promote cliterctomy–so chic these days.

    And to Steve Brook and all your comrades, I suggest you take a holiday in Ramallah and test out how the locals their appreciate all your bleeding heart compassion for their plight!

    ‘Those who are merciful to the cruel will be cruel to the merciful’

  • Eli says:

    I am all for open debate and a little hostility now and then makes for some energetic commentary not to mention high hit rates.

    But the editors of Gullus need at some point realise that when one individual represents almost 30% of all the commentary, that most of that persons posts are vitriolic,spiteful and off topic then at least for me this Blog has lost its worth as a place for intelligent, animated yet worthwhile debate.

    It becomes a site for flamers and trolls. This debate in particular has lost its way and the editors need to at some point draw a line in the sand to maintain some modicum of respect if not dignity.

    I for one will not be visiting anymore.

  • Morry says:

    Thanks Malki for the impeccable clarity of what should be the definitive final word on this topic. I take your point that if the board specified more clearly the station’s criteria, those who felt they didn’t fit them could move on and do something else, which is perfectly reasonable. If I understand you , when you say “The station was set up to be pro-Zionist and pro-Jewish. Nothing more. The individuals who set it up wanted it to be a voice for the whole Jewish community, except, in the case of those who seek to be anti-Zionist or anti-Jewish” you see this as far too broad a definition and that it needs to be more specific. I assume that should be no problem and, like with all new things, will be honed in time. I also understand that when individuals in power set their own seemingly arbitrary agendas, or, in this case communication breakdown, it can be very frustrating … though in every organisation that’s prone to happen at some time or another (I well remember Kerry Packer stopping a program dead that he didn’t like, but Channel9 got over it and continued to produce quality programs). This too will undoubtedly iron itself out in time.

    The problem here seems to be the many anti-zionist voices refusing to accept the station’s right to define itself, and clearly determined to make the station their own, or let it die in the process. I’m not concerned with Bram Presser, for example, who has clearly come to terms with the station’s policy enough to continue making programs, and contributing to the cultural wealth of this community, the kind of choice that you’re talking about, and I applaud.

    As far as I can tell, your posting was the reasoning this discussion needed, and clarified any outstanding issues, at least for me, thanks.

  • Hey Eli, and no one was hostile to me, yeah, sure, riiiiight? and Bram’s not hostile? Come one…gimme a break..anyone who doesn’t agree with the progressive party line, anyone who is not left of centre gets attacked, slandered, demonized, and slandered here on GA, as it is the left wing modus operandi. GA can go ahead and block me if they want, I could care less.

  • He who cannot be named says:

    Hi all,
    For your info, the latest program grid is on the Lion FM website, http://www.lionfm.org/grid.html which includes Bram’s show at 10AM on Wednesdays.

    Give the station and it’s Executive a chance. The station is in its infancy and everyone involved with the station is trying their best and feeling their way along (for the moment.)

    For now the most important thing is to get a permanent license and speaking as a Lion volunteer, we really need your help. It’s really discouraging for volunteers who have put in a lot of effort to read all this negativity without one positive word being said about the station and the growth it has already achieved. (I aplogise if I did miss any positive comments above.)

    Lion FM needs to become a voice for the community. Perhaps a quiet voice for now, but a voice that will grow louder and stronger over time. On air debates will come, the station will mature.

    For now, give the station (and her volunteers a chance.)

    Time will pass, people will grow and a happy medium will be found.

  • Eds: irrelevant personal insult removed.

  • Malki Rose says:

    Hey ‘He who cannot be named’,

    I completely agree, the best hard work of all those involved needs to be acknowledged and celebrated, to encourage it to continue and (hopefully, slowly but surely) move from strength to strength. Yes there has been a lot of positive comments on Lion, and some constructive feedback over the course of this thread, but sadly most of this is hard to see in all the negative remarks generated by those who seek to derail intelligent and reasonable discussion and take the thread off topic.

    The fact that Lion has been set up at all and seeks to be a voice for the Jewish community is indeed a marvellous thing. But as we all know there is still much that needs to be remedied to fine tune it.

    Good on you for your hard work!

  • He who cannot be named says:

    Thank you Malki, much appreciated.

  • Bram Presser says:

    Shoshanna,

    any semblance of credibility you had clawed back has been lost thanks to your hateful, intensely ad hominem and paranoid rantings of the past 24 hours. Woe is the day that the moderate progressive voice falls to the angry extremists. What you espouse both on this forum and, if you had your way, exclusively on the air is nothing short of chilul hashem.

  • Galus Australis says:

    At Galus, we appreciate it when people comment on our articles.

    However, we have recently received several emails and comments from readers of various political persuasions who have reasonably asked that we implement a policy to deal with commenters who monopolise threads.

    Thus, we issue a general request to all commenters on this site that they take care not to monopolise a conversation, particularly on the more heavily commented threads. We also ask that commenters conduct themselves in a civil and friendly manner.

    If the editors feel that you are a culprit of this, they may email you asking you to limit your daily number of comments. If a culprit ignores this request, we may regretfully have to place that commenter in the pre-moderation basket.

    Of course, this assumes the culprit provides a legitimate email address. Where they do not, then the editors will be unable to provide the courtesy of a caution.

  • Me, the angry one? who is more angry and viscous than Mikey Bear? or than you Bram, who writes an article railing against LionFM filled with innuendo and slander. You think you are a moderate voice of reason? Nothing could be further than the truth, as your piece is filled with emotion, it is all about your ego, your feelings, the attention you are seeking.
    And who is more viscous and angry than the comrades from the Jewish lefties whose blood runs cold when Jewish blood is spilt but, cry rivers for the Arab terrorist enemy.

    Yes, anger can be a good emotions when it is for a righteous cause, but when it is for all that is unholy and twisted, it is only a burning fire.

    I am proud to be a Jew, proud to be an unapologetic lover of Israel and it’s rights without having to worry about groveling for favour from the gentiles who hate us. I live on my feet, not crawling on my knees in shame, and I will always revile and expose the haters among us who are responsible for the killing of our precious brethren and who put our holy country and people in danger by their cowardly collaboration with the enemy. Yes, that makes me angry.

    The Lubavitcher Rebbe said it –No negotiations–we are not to give away a single inch of land, not one inch! And he surely was smarter even than you!

  • Anonymous says:

    Shoshanna.
    Unfortunately, every time you attack people, you are obstructing useful discussion. It only reinforces the very issue that the initial posting was about…bullying.

    Yes, there are a lot of reasons to fear for Israel but it seems you are fighting the wrong people – seeing monsters in the shadows of your own imagination. If these people here have different views to yourself, it doesn’t make them ‘anti-zionist’. It just means they have a different perspective. Some people fight the enemy, some talk with the enemy, some make peace with the enemy. We need respect and compassion for each other as Judaism teaches us.

    Maybe, as happened to you, some people will change their political views over time, but from my experience, no-one changes their views when they are being attacked – they just defend themselves even more.

    Regarding what needs to be addressed, Peter summed it up simply:
    ‘If there is a constitution – and there is, it must be adhered to’

    Clearly that needs to happen & the sooner the better.
    That constitution requires membership, voting, pro-zionist & support of Israel – despite creed, colour, political or sexual orientation.

    Morry wisely said how we could achieve this ‘through people working with each other and building mutual trust… ultimately all things, including Lion FM, find a natural state, a wonderful compromise position that nobody envisaged”

    I agree with him.

    But mutual trust requires respect. Bullying is the opposite of respect & should be exposed for that reason or, like a cancer, it grows both the power of the bully and the fear of the people who are being bullied. No-one feels safe.

    Shoshanna, I ask you this:
    If bullying has happened, accepting that so far the story has only been told from one side, do you think it should be stopped?

    Or do you think bullying is acceptable in some circumstances?

    Malki clearly worked very hard for the station, has much to contribute, but encountered problems that need to be addressed. Same happened to Bram. Both express love of Israel as well as wanting the station to succeed and not undermine itself – just as you have done but in a different way. I hear you want good things too, but you can’t fight peoples reality by shouting them down.

    How can they build mutual trust at Lion without denying people their experiences of being condemned for having different beliefs?

    We are all dealing with and fighting antisemitism & anti-zionism in our own different ways. Lion seems like a great opportunity to help this happen. Maybe, instead of fighting, people can contribute ideas on how to build this Jewish radio community together? (nicely)

    So, who here will start…

  • michael says:

    [Eds: Comments consisting of nothing but the bullying others are liable for removal]

  • Bram Presser says:

    As I won’t be able to post for a few days (I am slowly making my way home from a wonderful family simcha in Israel via Spain), I would like to leave you with a quote from Howard Jacobson’s amazing new novel, the Booker Prize nominated “The Finkler Question”. The book is probably the best snapshot of that colourful creature known as Diaspora Jewry since Phillip Roth’s “Portnoy’s Complaint” and I urge everyone here to read it to gain some perspective.

    I believe this particular quote is precisely on topic here, a perfect counterpoint to the devolution of this entire thread to hateful, personal bullying attacks in response to reasoned argument.

    “I am in principle against anything which denies dialogue or trade… but to bar communication between intellectuals, who are always our best hope for peace, is particularly self-defeating and inane. It declares, inter alia, that we a) made up our minds about what we think, b) closed our minds to what others think, and c) chosen to go on hearing nothing with which we happen to disagree.”

    I think we can all take a leaf out of Jacobson’s book. Some most certainly more than others…

    Peace, health and happiness to all.

  • Malki Rose says:

    Beautiful Bram! (and of course Jacobson)
    So succinctly put!

    Looking forward to hearing this weeks 100% @ 10am Wednesday on LionFM!

    Enjoy the rest of your journey and Mazel tov !

  • I never believed intellectuals were our best hope for peace. They have brought us some great things but, also they brought us some of the most insane horribly immoral and destructive ideas in history, like Eugenics, the basis of Naziism. Just look at those intellectuals Mark, Engels, and Mao, whose ideas wreaked mass murder of hundreds of millions. Some intellectuals’ ideas and ideologies must be barred and inhibited for the good of mankind.

  • Oliver Shalom says:

    Shoshana, as a fellow member of the frum side of the tracks, I had always taken with a grain of salt your reputation within the community for going over-the-top whenever there is a broiges or issue on which you feel requires your input. But now many of us clearly see the overwhelming aggression that comes through in your writting, esspecially on this subject. This behaviour is an absolute chillul Hashem, and tarnishes so many of our fellow community as unreasonable and unable/unwilling to have a reasoned debate without resorting to attacking anyone of a differing view with your own personal sledgehammer.

    This is an open debate within the community about LionFM – not a knife fight, so why can’t you debate without so much hate spewing forth? And you’re not fighting here for Israel’s right to exsist where I’d join you on the barricades – it’s a debate as how best to run a radio station for the community. I have no problem with the original article – the more open debate on what goes on behind closed doors of the community, the better. No faceless men and women should be dictating to the community, so why the need to shout down Bram’s opinion piece in this hostile fashion? Let the board speak for itself and state their case if their version differs from Bram’s. You’re currently acting as their self-appointed attack dog, and gives them no credibility.

    I bit my tongue when you previously went off on a rough and aggressive tangent over the kashrus issues in the community without declaring your vested interests with KA. But now your have slipped down such a slippery slope into the realms of hate-filled writtings that I can bite my tongue no more. Your writtings on this subject shock me, and most likely many others. I wont be like the other frummies saying “here she goes again” – it’s time to point out the behavioural aveiras here and now.

    You’ve written some pretty nasty things here about Bram and Malki, however let me tell you I’d rather have them sitting at my Shabbos table having a lively yet productive debate, than to have someone shouting down all other opinions in such a fashion as you have done here. And don’t be fooled by the punk looks – the guy is an absolute MENSCH, and far brighter that you give him credit for. He is a true friend of our community.

    I hope and pray that you take this kindly, and that you learn that hate-filled aggression is no way to live in the footsteps of our Rabbonim, v’ahavta lereyacha kamocha.

    Kol tuv.

  • Oliver Shalom,

    I don’t know who you are so I don’t know if you are in fact a frummie or a poser, you may be someone who simply has a personal issue with me. So I am at a loss to answer you concerning your personal attack on me.

    If you don’t like my style, if it is too aggressive for your tastes, so be it. Some people do like it, as I have many many supporters, especially among the frum. I make no apologies for stating my mind and defending myself against the attacks on me. I make no apologies exposing the lies and slander being written by fakers and fraudsters on ego trips. I make no apologies for writing in strong language at times, because that is what I feel is needed.

    Who are you to speak for others? You are entitled to your opinion, but you cannot speak as if you represent the entire frum kehillah.

    I am often disgusted by so many frum people having no backbone to stand up for our principles and for not living according to those principles. I have taken on the radical Chabad Moshichists, the corruption, and the absolute hypocrisy that is often rife in our community. I stood up for the kashrus organisation while it was being attacked and maligned while most of your frummies sat back allowed all that chilul Hashem to go on. The frummies who refuse to strengthen our institutions when they are doing good are the ones who make a chillu Hashem. The frummies who engage in corruption and are silent at injustice and do not defend Yiddishkeit or the Rebbe’s honour are the ones who make a chilul Hashem by their passivity, complicity and apathy.

    When one does speak out one does not always make friends with everyone, and that is expected.

    I had many problems with Bram’s article. It contains slander and hostility and lies, all of which are against halacha. You call this person a mensch who goes off on a public diatribe like that? You have a very strange definition of a mensch!

    I admit, I don’t mince words at times and call a spade a spade. If I am dealing with individuals who do not argue honestly, who make up stories constantly, who slander people publicly, who side with our Arab enemies, all while pretending to be walking with the angels but are not, it gets my gander up. I’m entitled.

    They are not faceless men and women, they are a board, they are not hiding. That is a completely false, slanderous, and unfair accusation to suggest as much. Bram really should be grateful the board doesn’t kick him out of the radio after he slanderd them like that. What chutzpah! Do you realize what accusations he made? He has branded Menachem Kheon a bigot, a bully, and an extremist, none of which is true! He has branded the board as incompetent enough to have to be replaced! And you call Bram a mensch? I don’t believe you are truly frum, even if you do have a beard and a hat. You are just another faker who acts socially frum and lives the comfortable good life going through the motions but cares only for themself.

    And Malki is alos not telling the whole truth. [Eds: irrelevant judgement on Malki’s character removed] She quit in a huff and a puff of anger because she was not getting along or getting her way. Now she wants to get back in, have control behind the scenes, but she sees she has to make nice and get in the board’s good graces to do it. Why should they trust her or Bram now?

    The board are nice guys and they will give all these fakers and back stabbers another chance. I wouldn’t, but I am not in charge and have no say, but if it were me I would never allow them back in again, not after they showed themselves to be troublemakers.

  • Anonymous says:

    [Eds: Please do not bait Shoshana. Unhelpful, unsubstantial comment removed.]

  • [Eds: Shoshana, please do not take the bait. Unhelpful, unsubstantial comment removed.]

  • AnonimousE says:

    [Eds: Unhelpful, unsubstantial comment deleted.]

  • Interested party says:

    Mr Radio…..please submit a correct email address to
    ( editorial AT galusaustralis.com )that you may be contacted.

  • Malki Rose says:

    Hey Oliver Shalom,
    (Firstly, love the name! I actually laughed out loud when I saw it!)

    I don’t know if you represent the group of women who contacted me a few months back asking me to reconsider giving Shoshanna a show, if you are, I would like to apologise for not heeding your plea. In hindsight, I feel particularly foolish for not seeing what is now patently clear. Up until that point I had never had any issue with her, and found her to be friendly and generally pleasant. I prefer to judge people on how I experience them rather than by what others tell me, as it is always hard to decipher what is and is not Lashon Hara. (If you do not one of these woman, my apologies nonetheless.)

    I would like to clarify that all those involved, including Shoshanna, are fully aware of the circumstances under which I left Lion, and they did not include storming off in an angry huff because I didnt get my way, those who know me know that I am impassioned but NEVER hateful. That is someone elses modus operandi.

    They all know that I left for the same reason that several before me and since have left. Certain individuals were playing people off against one another, engaging in manipulative tricks and deceit and withholding imperative information. The last of which occurred while I was in hospital, only to return to find out upon me return. When I learnt of this, I emailed the Lion FM secretary Stephen Fennell to notify him that I am walking away from Lion until such time as the rights of all volunteers and participants are protected. This includes my own, and all current and future volunteers, who should be constitutionally recognised and protected members.

    All of my correspondence with the Lion FM board is documented in emails if anyone doubts my intentions or the accuracy of my account, they are welcome to contact me via the editors of GA, or on Facebook as many already have done.

    Only 2 minutes ago, I met with a board member who has assured me that Shoshanna is NOT authorised to speak on behalf of the station and they are aware that she is issuing misleading and vitriolic statements under the guise of being Lion’s loyal and dedicated affiliate. They do not feel the same way as she, have asked her to stop, and have indicated to me that there is some good work being done, or changes which they are attempting to initiate and they hope, like do most of us following this thread, that her comments will largely be ineffectual with regards to the ACMA.

    At the conclusion of our discussion the boardmember described a rather interesting metaphor as an illustration of this whole debate regarding the direction of Lion FM, and which many might agree rings true of many organisations, especially Jewish ones.

    Imagine a field which people are supposed to use to cross from one building to another, and builders decided to build a path through the field to specifically designate the area to be walked.

    Only problem is nobody can agree on precisely where or how the path should be drawn.

    So one man suggests, “Lets not build a path, why dont we leave it, let the people walk for themselves across the field and we will see which area of grass will become worn. Then we will know exactly where the path should be”.

  • The board has not asked me to stop making comments. None of them ever told me that they felt I was making any misleading or vitriolic comments. These are patently bold-faced lies! I never claimed to represent the station, I speak as a private individual.

    It’s too late,I have a show and as the old saying goes it the show must go on!!!!! And go on it will.

    Everything is Hashgacha Protis, at the end of the day I suppose at this point it is Hashem’s will that I have a show and Malki is not with Lion FM any longer. Who knows what plans the Abishter has for the future?

  • Bram Presser says:

    Greetings from the Queen Alia airport in Jordan.

    I just wanted to pop my head up to say that I am no longer interested in responding to personal attacks. I was particularly buoyed by the post written by Oliver Shalom. Having many friends in the frum community, I was getting a little despondent. She has single handedly restored my faith and I sit comfortably in the knowledge that the empty vessel is making the most noise, while the vast majority of kind, decent and reasonable frum people take as much umbrage as I do to what has been said in their name. And, yes I know Shoshanna thinks this whole thing is about my ego but hey, even without the kind words Oliver Shalom said about me personally, I don’t think anyone could have put it better.

    Oliver Shalom – I don’t know who you are, but thanks for showing the Galus readers that the frum community, as a whole, is reasonable and compassionate. You are the antidote to the chilul hashem that has occurred here. And I, for one, would gladly sit at your Shabbos too!

  • michael says:

    [Eds: irrelevant insult removed.]

  • Malki Rose says:

    Nachon Bram,
    I don’t respond to them either. Its just silliness.

    G-d bless Oliver Shalom for showing GA readers, both Jewish and non-Jewish, that there are Frum (orthodox) people who write with gentle kindness and generosity of spirit.

    Looking forward to the first annual GA Shabbaton, then?

  • Peter Hersch says:

    What I don’t understand is why these zealous rednecks are allowed free rain in this forum. I got an email notification of a post – one that never made it to the forum, that Galus was sent an email requesting that Medusa be barred from posting any further in this forum due to the vitriol running through her veins yet she is still with us, destructive as her tactics are.
    And Michael, – he of no surname so very much reminds me of a blind Bambi – no eye dear; what has he contributed to this discussion other than tripe and unrelenting attacks on Bram and those who support him. Actually that may be incorrect, those who oppose what was done to him.

    Topics like this should be actively moderated and no inciting post even as mine is – be allowed. You people do not know how to take part in a debate. But then one never could debate a storm trooper.

    You have blocked all intelligent interchange of ideas that may result in a better station for the Jewish community and we grow very tired this. And if we all grow sick of continuing this inane banter with you folks you are left to share the spoils of victory.
    Short lived as that may be.
    Do not think that the last sentence means I want us to lose the station, I do not. It means that if this dominant discourse is an example of how LION FM can bring the Jewish community together then that goal is out of it’s reach.
    And Shoshana Sillycow shoulders much of that responsibility.

  • michael says:

    Typical of those trying to silence anyone who does not subscribe to the leftist doctrine, of course if Hersch has it his way only those that share his worldly views should be allowed.

    Isn,t it pathetic the very same people like Hersch who accuse Jews who do not share their views of bullying and censorship are doing the very same thing, trying to bully the editor to silence any opposition.

  • Peter Hersch says:

    No Michael with no surname, to the contrary, IT IS the views of the opposition that I seek.No their opinions of me and others on my side.
    So tell me again, what were your views on the TOPIC ?
    Not on world affairs, the state of politics in the Middle East or Bram’s visit to Jordan and you good wishes for his trip home, your views on why there was movement at the station !
    Feel free to restrict your comments to that alone as you would be required to do should you be having a debate in Parliament.
    But that’s another story.

  • michael says:

    As someone not intimately involved with Lion FM as some of you are I am under the impression ACMA gave a license to Lion for a Jewish religious station.
    After reading the posts from the majority of Leftist Jews who support this blog site it appears to me they have their noses out of joint because they cannot use this Radio Station as another outlet for Israel Bashing or promoting only negative views of Israel .
    It appears to me they [ those who have posted such vitriolic remarks about the management of Lion FM and are so obsessed ] will do anything to take control so they can further their own agenda and spread hatred of Zionists.

    It is also quite apparent that Shoshanna Silcove {who I do not know or have any idea who she is] is the subject of cyber bullying and personal attacks on this blog site.

    ‘‘No inciting post even as mine is – be allowed” Says Peter Hersch above…

    Why don’t you you set the example from here on an apology to Shoshanna would be a good start.

  • Anonymous says:

    This blog started as Bram’s protest against bullying at LionFM but has since become a platform where Bram, Malki, Peter and others have been subjected to even more extreme bullying.

    Thankyou to those who have (inadvertently) so well demonstrated the very real personalities of bullies and the dangers of bullying in this online community.

    Why cant they simply implement a strictly no bullying policy at Lion Fm so such things cant happen there?

  • michael wrote:After reading the posts from the majority of Leftist Jews who support this blog site it appears to me they have their noses out of joint because they cannot use this Radio Station as another outlet for Israel Bashing or promoting only negative views of Israel

    I agree with that 100% I would add that they also have their noses out of joint that they are not running things. Some people think they have a right to tell the board what to do. They think they are smarter, more competent, and some people thought that the radio would never be able to run without them, and that they could not be replaced, that if they left things would fall apart. But guess what, some people left and were replaced by the board, and the radio is not only alive but growing! And that irks them, enough to motivate them to damage the station.

    All this talk from these people that they are trying to protect the LionFM board from itself and save the station from being shut down due to the board’s incompetence is a load of POPPYCOCK. If they are so concerned and have the best interest of the station at heart, then why the slanderous character assassination of board members on public blogs, and why the threats to dub the station into the authorities? Most people with a bit of sense are seeing through this transparent ruse.

  • Eli says:

    I am glad to see that the editors have made some attempt to moderate and therefore keep the discussions on GA at level that allows for all views without resorting to personal attacks,innuendo,harassment and flaming.

    There is an article on Tablet Magazine that although is not specific to Radio but significantly discusses the role of Judaism in the world of Social Media, which radio is certainly a part of.

    To quote
    “Judaism, of course, has been doing just that for millennia, seeing the creation of commentary and content as the highest—sometimes only—form of religious and communal life.”

    Liel Leibovitz in his article Web Jew.0
    Muslim zealots claim the Internet is a Jewish conspiracy. They’re not wrong. discusses Judaisms influence on social media. He makes the point that the success of FaceBook, Google and Wikipedia (all started by Jews) have in no small part been due to the nature of what he describes “as a ground up approach not top down” in cementing the dominance of the above mentioned media. An idea born out of commentary and Gemara.

    Perhaps those at LionFM may take a leaf from these ideas, Jewish ones no less, and help grow a community social network albeit on radio.

    Here is the link http://www.tabletmag.com/news-and-politics/46241/web-jew-0/

  • anon says:

    Mrs Silcove,

    I’m confused, what ruse?

    Why can’t we air our dirty laundry in public? It may hurt us to do so, but hopefully it will lead to intraspection which is a key tenant of the Jewish faith.

    Your concern that there are those who are being verbally ‘bashed’ in public is not relevant as these people have put themselves in the public eye and are therefore accountable for their actions and what they are presenting to the community.

    It seems that the one size fits all policy is NOT working

    It would seem that the simplest way to solve this divide is for the Lion FM management team to clearly articulate what they deem appropriate to air with regards to their relgious affiliation and political ideology- this being said, sponsors and patrons will need to either agree to the philosophy of the station and continue their support or walk away.

  • anon writes:

    It would seem that the simplest way to solve this divide is for the Lion FM management team to clearly articulate what they deem appropriate to air with regards to their relgious affiliation and political ideology

    and their legal obligations under the Community Radio Broadcasting Code of Practice and Broadcasting Services Act.

  • All of you people who are not at all involved in the radio who base all your opinions on blog postings are really being silly. Anyone can write anything on a blog, and there will always be gullible naive people who will swallow it all whole without thinking.

    How do you know the board is guilty of anything its accusers blog about it? Because the bloggers said so? And how do you know that any of the so-called legal problems or other problems these bloggers seem so concerned with are nothing but their hot air? And yet there are people who are ready and willing to get embroiled in issues without verifing a thing, just from hearsay, innuendo, etc. And these gullible people seem so absolutely certain that they have a complete grasp of all the goings on of the radio and its issues without ever speaking to single board member, or attending a single meeting, or stepping into the studio. And never mind trying to check out the other side of the story, that would take some effort and work. How pathetic really.

  • Oliver Shalom says:

    I consider myself just a regular, frum guy (a firm believer of Torah im Derech Eretz), who just couldn’t sit back and watch a barrage of aggressive attacks against people of our community willing to have a go and contribute.

    From what I’ve read here, Bram and Malki believe, rightly or wrongly, that there’s a failing within the management set-up of our latest communal endeavour, LionFM. It wouldn’t be the first time someone disliked the way a communal organisation was run, and it most likely wont be the last. However, if the core issue was enough to cause Michael Lipshutz to resign from his senior position there, then why shouldn’t the story be told from both sides and let the community decide?

    Our community is a broad shule when it comes to thought and opinions, but we all have the right to decide for ourselves by listening to the debate without one side resorting to hate-filled rants in order to silence the other side.

    I also hope that anyone reading this page didn’t lose faith in the power of prayer by seeing me end my previous post with a prayer for understanding and reason, then watch as a bucket-full of hate and vomit was tipped over me by the next poster. I still have faith.

    May we ALL learn the meaning of the words we recited last Shabbos in shule for the blessing of the new month – Chaverim kol Yisrael.

  • Malki Rose says:

    Oliver Shalom,
    I agree, and that is the meaning of the “worn grass” mashal.
    Let the process enable truth.

    Regardless of anything any of us say here, one of the individuals who set up LION has walked away, the president no less.

    This tells all of us, louder than anything else, that something is indeed “rotten in the state of Denmark”.

  • Oliver Shalom,
    After insulting me you then accusse of me of being hateful? And you are what then, loving? Of course Not! The editors should remove your last comment because it is hateful towards me!

  • Peter Hersch says:

    This is getting too ridiculour for words.
    As if it was not enough discussing LION FM and Israel and Jordan and socialism and communism and terrorism and Islam and Juadism we now need to discuss Denmark too ?
    Sheesh…………..

  • None of us know the real reason Mr. Lipshutz resigned. It all rumour. He could have resigned for reasons no one mentioned on this blog, like personal reasons, or whatever. He is a politician and it cold be he now has other plans or ambitions other than LionFM. Unless we were there when it was discussed, or unless he makes a public statement of his reasons, it is all pure conjecture.

  • Atoz says:

    I have been reading the numerous responses to Bram Presser’s article and in my opinion (I stress my opinion) that whenever three respondents start the level of debate and discussion seems get down to a personal level and the possibility of further debate become useless.

  • On a tangent, I have just discovered a link accessible via (not on) the Lion FM web site that exposes private contact details (including names, phone numbers, email addresses) of a quantity of people involved with the station.

    What is the best way to have this serious breach of privacy rectified? I am reluctant to post the link here as that would further exacerbate this breach of privacy.

    I have sent an email to the email address at the bottom of the web site but have not yet had a response.

    Michael.

  • michael says:

    It is quite obvious Michael you have plenty of spare time on your hands and you appear to be quite obsessed with this radio station business.

    You obviously have the time why don’t you put up the funds and and start your own programme ?

  • Peter Hersch says:

    michael, if I could write you name in even lower case I would.

    I keep wanting not to post in this forum anymore but I cannot help myself. It would be good good entertainmnet if it was not so sad.
    Every comment that you post michael is sillier than the one that preceded it. The other Michael, the one who must have parents as he has a surname raised a very valid point. The personal contact details of functionaries of a Jewish radio station should not be available on the net.
    For somoene so concerned with YOUR very own radio station I would have expected you to agree with your nemesis and support him, even praise him. Obviously one requires a certain amount of intelligence to recognise a point of view that actually would match your own.
    I bet when you had a brain scan the results came back negative.

    Michael with the parents, that was a good pickup and I applaud you for your actions. Sadly in this world today one can never underestimate the nutters out there.
    [Eds: Irrelevant insult removed]

  • Malki Rose says:

    Michael Barnett,

    The technical issues like that occur because of some of the mess and confusion happening at the top of the chain of command.

    All of these ‘smaller’ issues or technical issues will no doubt be addressed and rectified, I am sure, once the core issues have been dealt with as a matter of priority.

    So it does require some patience and good faith from us.

  • Malki,

    A breach of privacy is a serious offense. If you’d like, I can post the link here, on my Facebook page, Twitter or blog if anyone would like to see an interesting range of phone numbers, names and email addresses.

    This is not a ‘we’ll get to it’ issue. It’s a ‘damn, let’s fix it immediately before we lose our license completely and disclose our members confidential details’ issue.

    I repeat, how can this issue be resolved immediately? It’s serious and won’t bode well for the station, especially when licenses are such a volatile commodity.

    Michael.

  • Malki Rose says:

    I know its a serious issue, hence why the word ‘small’ was written as is.
    I meant in the scheme of their plethora of other large issues, this is just another thing, which no doubt once their leadership and membership issues, the issues upon which the station either functions or fails to function, are remedied will also be remedied.

    It is a question of ‘reasonable expectation’, and while there is bully, who does not respect the rights of others, in their midst we cannot reasonably expect issues of this nature to be on the ‘to do’ list, along with all the other violations of code yet to be remedied.

  • Peter Hersch says:

    In view of the above intechange of information is there any doubt in those following this thread who the “doers” are at LION FM ?
    And who the pretenders are ?

  • I see the Jewish News (Melbourne edition) have run a story on page 8 this week headlined “Lion tries to regain its pride”.

  • Hi All,

    Would you all (Michael, Mr Radio, Bram, Etc) please read my earlier post as all the information is about Lion FM is contained there.

    Except one thing it is a religious licence because we had to submit our association’s constitution to get this frequency.

    How do I know this? I have been involved in this concept since day one, however I never thought that it would have end up in such bitter fighting, almost City FM material!

    As for City FM returning that is almost funny Mr Radio and if you want I will air what happened at City FM and why those idiots (William Manning, Colin Spence, Angela King, Guy “The Value Man” McHugh, Caroline Deware and Vlad the Impaled) couldn’t organise a piss up in a brewery. Not to forget the Flunkey and the Monkey, they did their bit as well.

    However on the bright side it was because of the Defective Collective that your truly got DJ and I thank them for their stupidity.

    Look up the Defective Collective on Myspace for further reading.

    Tune in Thursdays nights from 10pm

    Kind Regards,

    Midnight Mike

  • Midnight Mike,

    Please elaborate on the statement:

    Except one thing it is a religious licence because we had to submit our association’s constitution to get this frequency.

    Thanks,
    7:36am Michael.

  • I once was a victim of workplace bullying. I took the case to VCAT. I represented myself against three lawyers and won. Having had this experience gives me a good grasp of this issue. As far as the allegations of Menachem Khoen or anyone else being labled a ‘bully':

    Labeling someone as a bully is a serious charge. Whoever screams this charge ought to have hard evidence to back it up. It can’t be based on simply not getting along with or not liking the person accused, nor can it be based on merely having had a robust argument or disagreement, even one which entailed lost tempers. None of that constitutes ‘bullying’ per se as ‘bullying’ is something extremely specific, and there has to be a proven pattern of this specific behavior that caused measurable and quantifiable loss or suffering to the alleged ‘victim’ of the bullying.

    To label someone a bully when it is not appropriate could be seen in and of itself as bullying. At the very least it is defamation and loshon hora.

    On another issue: a community radio station does not mean that everyone in the community has an equal say in how it is run. Anyone who has ever run a business or any organisation knows that if there are too many captains and not enough sailors the ship rapidly sinks. There has to be a small group at the helm and in this case it is the board. They have every right to set policy and conduct the organisational business on a daily basis without having to answer every Tom, Dick, and Harry in the process. It has to be this way otherwise there will complete anarchy. Being that our community is extremely diverse, the board will never be able to please everyone. Therefore, they will invariably make decisions that some people don’t like, there will be ruffled feathers, there will be disgruntled individuals, and that unfortunately cannot be avoided.

    To these people who are making a ‘revolution’, threatening legal action, engaging in cyber bullying tactics, and the like, are frankly, in my view, acting like spoiled children having a temper tantrum. They want everything to go their way or else they will pick up and throw anything they can find in the room even if it means destroying the entire house. I am aware that there may be in fact some legitimate issues that need ironing out, but I ask, is this the way to go about it? In the end, Bram’s article and all the public slander and defamation of the bloggers will not change anything, will not help to build the station but rather the opposite, and will certainly not enable them to accomplish what they want to as individuals.

    Moreover, it is a completely unethical un-Jewish way to go about resolving things. And if you will come back and say you tried to resolve things before this cyber bullying outburst and it didn’t work, I will answer that this is an excuse made of pure bovine feces. Bram believes that the board behaved badly, so does that excuse his bad behaviour?

  • What is Cyber Bullying?Definition:
    “Cyber-bullying involves the use of information and communication technologies such as e-mail, cell phone and pager text messages, instant messaging (IM), defamatory personal Web sites, and defamatory online personal polling Web sites, to support deliberate, repeated, and hostile behaviour by an individual or group, that is intended to harm others.”

    Cyber Stalking (from Wiki):
    Cyber Stalking (Wiki)
    Definitions

    “False accusations.
    Many cyberstalkers try to damage the reputation of their victim and turn other people against them. They post false information about them on websites. They may set up their own websites, blogs or user pages for this purpose. They post allegations about the victim to newsgroups, chat rooms or other sites that allow public contributions, such as Wikipedia or Amazon.com.

    Attempts to gather information about the victim. Cyberstalkers may approach their victim’s friends, family and work colleagues to obtain personal information. They may advertise for information on the Internet, or hire a private detective. They often will monitor the victim’s online activities and attempt to trace their IP address in an effort to gather more information about their victims.

    Encouraging others to harass the victim. Many cyberstalkers try to involve third parties in the harassment. They may claim the victim has harmed the stalker or his/her family in some way, or may post the victim’s name and telephone number in order to encourage others to join the pursuit.

    False victimization. The cyberstalker will claim that the victim is harassing him/her. Bocij writes that this phenomenon has been noted in a number of well-known cases.”

    source:
    http://billyanddee.com/random-natterings/cyber-bullies/

  • michael says:

    Shoshanna, you are spot on . In essence anyone reading all the above posts many of which are leftist actvists can see they are wiling to have the radio station closed down or fail and are willing to air the ugly side of Jews on this public blog site unless they can dictate the terms to which the Radio station should be run.
    This is a classic style of bullying and intimidation and attitude that unless they get what they want nobody should win.

    I believe you are wasting your time an energy responding to these people who have no inclination of hearing or accepting other views other than their own.

    Shoshanna take heart in the recent unanimous condemnation of fringe group AJDS by the mainstream Jewish body JCCV whose views would represent the majority of our community . This is a good example that extremist fringe groups on either side of the Political spectrum are not rellevent.

  • Michael,
    I agree 100%
    I know they won’t change their minds, but I cannot sit back and let the lies fly. I have a need and feel it is correct to set the record straight to whomever will pay attention.

  • Atoz says:

    To set the record straight according to the thoughts of Shoshana Silcove…oy vey

  • On A Question says:

    There is for some reason a sub-discussion on whether the station holds a “religious” licence.

    Being a public service agency, the ACMA can only make of an application what it sees. The ACMA does not go in to the community groups that are represented by licence applications to discover the variously held opinions and views of such communities.

    Just like LIGHT FM holds a community licence with a described community interest as “Religious – Christian”, the MJR holds a community licence (be it temporary) with its community interest category described as “Religious – Jewish”.

    Is this because Judaism is considered by a greater number of people in the mainstream society as being a “religion” rather then a “culture”, or an “ethnic” group.

    Culture does not fit well, considering Jews eminate from many ethnic communities and speak many different languages (though mostly English, Hebrew, Yiddish and Russian). “Ethnic” is not correct either as roots of the Melbourne Jewish community are from Israel, Russia, and many countries in Europe. Language Spoken cannot be used to define the community, as most speak English as the first/primary language.

    You may find more secular Jews with a broad but non specific understanding but not a strong religious connection with the faith, you may find Jews in agreement with various arguments regarding the Palestinian Question, some Jews may hold a disdain towards the rigid religious orthodox Jewish ways, there’s gay Jews, left and right wing thinking Jews, – amongst all these there is one connection …

    What remains are two most common element within the Jewish Community, firstly that the community comprises of persons identifying as and recognised as Jews, and secondly that despite the level of observance – there is a common religion/faith.

    How ELSE would you like to describe the community interest represented by the licence ?

    Such argument over what is really a minor issue.

  • On A Question (gotta love these creative nom-de-plumes) states:

    Such argument over what is really a minor issue.

    I’m in agreeance, however if hypothetically the licence applicant has a different interpretation of what constitutes their community, then this is not going to be such a minor issue.

  • Hi Michael,

    You ask the following:

    Midnight Mike,

    Please elaborate on the statement:

    (Except one thing it is a religious licence because we had to submit our association’s constitution to get this frequency.)

    Well Michael I shouldn’t have to as you were involved with Joy FM’s Full time licence.

    “I was with JOY 94.9 back then, and it took them from 1993 to 2001 to earn their permanent inner city license. It came after a lot of hard TEAM WORK”

    So you should know what my earlier statement means.

    But I case you were not really involved, more of a bystander here it is.

    To obtain any community radio licence be it temporary or full time the applying association (Non Profit that is) has to submit it’s constitution to the ACMA for approval before any licences can be issued.

    If the association’s constitution CANNOT define it’s community of interest that is NOT currently catered for by existing broadcasters then the ACMA WILL NOT be granting a licence of any sort.

    As there had been no attempt (until now) to have a full time Jewish Radio AND it was granted under Religious grounds made it possible to pass the massive obstacles that were in our way.

    And 3 hours a week of programming on other community stations didn’t count as being catered for.

    This took over 16 months just to get this licence (one hell of a fight to say the least).

    And then we had to go on air and broadcast.

    Tune in Tonight from 10pm.

    Kind Regards,

    Midnight Mike

  • Steve Brook says:

    A few days ago, someone who shall remain nameless referred to me as a TRAITOR (her caps) and said that in the old days, they knew how to deal with the likes of me. If she gives me her address, I’ll send her
    a KKK sheet, a strong hempen rope, a parcel of feathers and a bucket of tar. Then she can go for her life. No more pussy-footing around.

  • Mike,

    I understand and appreciate all of what you say aside from the one statement:

    it is a religious licence

    .

    I contend that this is not a “religious” licence, but rather a licence for a community defined by a common religion.

    I was extremely closely involved in the process of the licence applications in 2001. I was an active volunteer and on-air member of JOY at the time but I wasn’t on the licence application committee. However I took it upon myself to read in detail every single licence application that was submitted by every community radio station, every objection and complaint from individuals and stations, every decision made by the then ABA, every appeal and every final decision. I also attended all the licence hearings at the Melbourne Town Hall.

    I would say I have some experience in understanding the issues that were involved in that process, some nine years ago now.

    Of course, things may have changed since then, and I would be surprised if they had not, but what I expect would not have changed a great deal, and forgive me if I am wrong, is their definition of a community of interest.

    As others have explained, most recently by ‘On A Question’, the licence would have been issued to the Melbourne Jewish community as a whole, and not any particular subsection of it.

    I would be glad to be corrected if I am wrong. From the documentation on the ACMA web site defining the obligations of a community radio station, I would be surprised if I am wrong.

    Michael.

  • Bram Presser says:

    Midnight Mike,

    Michael B is legally correct in his defitinition of “Religious – Jewish”. It is the definition of a community by virtue of a shared religion, not a reference to dogmatic observance within that community. That is basic first year law school legal interpretation stuff.

    Shoshanna, you clearly have a limited understanding of the law despite your heroic David and Goliath success at VCAT. My allegation of bullying is not to do with not having gotten on with someone at the station. Menachem outright bullied people by screaming at them and behaving in an outrageously aggressive manner. One incident (of many) that stands out is the time he tore into the studio, screamed abusively at the two people there until he had to sit down because he became short of breath and feared a heart attack (yes, he had worked himself into that bad a state) and then was given a glass of water by the very people he abused. And then he had the gall to tell the two that they had to forgive him because it was Yom Kippur the following week. Call it what you will. To me that is bullying. I’m happy to go to VCAT if that’s what you’d like but I tried to resolve this within the community. I also note that Menachem has yet to sue me for defamation as you threatened he would. My witnesses are lined up. Where’s the lawsuit (though he’d also have to prove damage first)?

    To be honest, I would have no problem with Menachem’s involvement in the station if he was able to put his personal politics aside and be inclusive, and not think that putting up seed money gives him the right to dictate the agenda of the station. Someone made a Kerry Packer comparison which was, to some degree, correct. But what they failed to realise is that Nine isn’t a community organisation granted a community license. It is a private enterprise. If Menachem and his friends want a public forum to air their views and their views alone, buy a Private license. I think they only cost about half a million.

    I go back to my original statements. All I want is for the station to respect, and be inclusive of, the diversity within our community, and to grow as a first-class community enterprise that is a beacon for community radio practise. I don’t think that’s too much to ask.

  • Bram Presser says:

    PS @Shoshanna

    Interesting, you list definitiuons of cyberbullying. Was that supposed to be ironic? Or have you not noticed that your posts on this forum have fallen smack bang within that definition.

    And what is a “Jewish” way of settling a dispute? I thought reasoned debate, discussion of relevant issues and not trying to silence any individual’s voice is the most Jewish way possible. Oh, and with the love of one’s fellow human being. Not irate personal tirades against people whose views differ to your own. “Traitors” (with an inference of some ominous fate) as you called one person who disagreed with you… Indeed.

  • Bram Presser says:

    Sorry for the three in a row here. I promise to shut up for a day. I just felt I needed to add this @ Midnight Mike. Mike, I have no issue with you. Indeed, I respect and applaud your role in getting this whole thing off the ground. I think you, your brother and all involved (yes, including Menachem) deserve the community’s thanks for such an achievement.

    However, I would hope that in setting up a “community” enterprise you would now welcome all members of the community to play a role, free of agendas, free of spite and malice, so we can all help grow what you planted.

  • This letter appears on page 23 of the October 15, 2010 (Melbourne) edition of the Australian Jewish News.

    Reasons I resigned from Lion FM

    I REFER to the article that reported my resignation as president of Melbourne Jewish radio Lion FM (AJN 01/10).

    In taking on the presidency, I did so in the belief that the radio station would be both Zionist and communal, and would appeal to the broad spectrum of the Jewish community. In my communal roles both past and present, I have always permitted and supported the right of people to have diverse views even where those views do not accord with what I believe.

    Under my presidency, Lion FM developed a volunteer’s agreement that required all volunteers and presenters to subscribe to the broad objectives of the station, which included promoting the centrality of Israel in Jewish life and promoting Zionism.

    Under that umbrella, however, there are many differing opinions. The station does not have a political view and I believe it should permit a wide range of opinions provided that those opinions are within the station’s constitutional objectives.

    Regrettably, I believe an element of censorship arose where certain presenters were treated differently from others. I permitted the particular program to air for which I was subsequently criticised.

    Inasmuch as my vision for the station appeared to be at odds with the executive, I resigned. I nevertheless remain committed to the advancement of the station and I remain on good terms with the members of the executive.

    Despite the issues I raised, Melbourne Jewish radio can be a magnificent asset for our community and should be overwhelmingly supported. All the people involved are passionate and dedicated.

    MICHAEL LIPSHUTZ
    Former president, Lion FM

  • This article appears on page 3 of the October 22, 2010 (Melbourne) edition of the Australian Jewish News.

    Changes for Lion FM
    ZEDDY LAWRENCE

    MELBOURNE’s Jewish radio station has a new leader of the pack. Following the resignation of Michael Lipshutz earlier this month, John Kraus has taken over the role as president of Lion FM.

    The Mizrachi member faces the tough task of steering the station back on track afer a troubled few weeks.

    Lipshutz’s resignation came amid accusations that the board was censoring views that did not reflect board members’ opinions on Israel, and that the volunteers’ agreement that presenters were forced to sign impinged on their right to free speech.

    There were also accusations these practices were in breach of the Australian Communication and Media Authority’s community radio standards, which require stations to promote diversity and encourage community participation.

    Kraus, who has held a number of communal roles in recent years, including chairman of Leibler Yavneh College and treasurer or the Jewish Community Council of Victoria, said he hopes to resolve these issues “quickly and efficiently, so the station can move forward”.

    “I will be proposing that Lion FM establish an editorial board and a formal process for resolving disputes via a separate disputes committee. The editorial board and the disputes committee will be independent of the executive and contain representatives from across the community,” Kraus said.

    Regarding the controversial volunteers’ agreement, Kraus said it would be reviewed and comments and suggestions from the community would be welcome. He added, “My hope is that Lion FM becomes the unofficial voice of the Melbourne Jewish community – a voice that is as diverse as it is rich and a voice of which we can be proud.”

    Lion FM presenter Bram Presser, who had refused to sign the agreement claiming it “dictates what the content and political bent of our show should be”, told The AJN he was encouraged by Kraus’ appointment. “We had a very productive conversation and I believe John has the station’s best interests at heart,” Presser said.

    I’m keen to see how the new president will work toward a fully diverse radio station, including a voice for the gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender members of the community, as required by the station’s legal obligations as mentioned in an earlier comment of mine.

    I’m also keen to see the make-up of the proposed dispute committee, to ensure it comprises an unbiased representation “from across the community”.

    My best wishes to the station.

    Michael.

  • GG says:

    Wondering about Bram’s perspective of the recent Palestinian Authority conference where they declared they wanted all of Jerusalem for themselves and no Jews at all it.

    “Fatah: We’ll sacrifice victims until Jerusalem is ours,” from Haaretz, August 8 :

    The status of Jerusalem as the future capital of a Palestinian state is a red line that no Palestinian leader is permitted to cross, President Mahmoud Abbas’ ruling Fatah faction declared in the West Bank on Saturday.
    According to Israel Radio, the Fatah general conference, which convened in Bethlehem for a three-day gathering, adopted a position paper which also states that the Palestinian national enterprise will not reach fruition until all of Jerusalem, including the outlying villages, come under Palestinian sovereignty.

    Fatah, which rules the West Bank but was ousted from power in Gaza by the Islamist Hamas movement, also ruled out any interim agreements with Israel.

    “Fatah will continue to sacrifice victims until Jerusalem will be returned [to the Palestinians], clean of settlements and settlers,” the paper states.

    According to Israel Radio, the paper does not make a distinction between the eastern and western halves of the capital, nor does it distinguish between the territories within the Israeli side of the Green Line and the areas captured by Israel in the 1967 Six-Day War….”

  • GG says:

    And most recently, this is a good one too! Reflects most islamic views that’s for sure:

    “President of Islamic Foundation Ibrahim Fauzy told Minivan News last week that the Foundation does not recognise Israel as a state, asserting that ‘it is also against our religion to have relationships with Jews’.”

    Just one example of such interfaith harmony can be found in Qur’an 5:51: “O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.”

    “Israeli eye surgeons visiting Maldives to ‘illegally harvest organs’, claims Islamic Foundation,” by Ahmed Naish for Minivan News, November 29:

    The Islamic Foundation of the Maldives has reiterated calls to the Maldives government to “shun all medical aid from the Zionist regime” with a team of seven Israeli eye surgeons due to arrive in the country next month, claiming that Isreali doctors and surgeons “have become notorious for illegally harvesting organs from non-Jews around the world.”

    An article on the Foundation’s website titled “Beware of Israeli eye surgeons” claims Israeli medical teams have harvested organs from dead Haitians after the devastating earthquake that struck country as well as from Palestinians killed in fighting in the longstanding Arab-Isreali [sic] conflict.
    “The health authorities in Maldives have to take utmost caution in allowing Israeli medical surgeons into this country and Maldivians who apply for treatment from these doctors have to take precautionary measures to avoid any foul play,” it reads.
    “So, keep an eye out for… I mean, uh, wait…”

    A day after the government-run Indira Gandhi Memorial Hospital (IGMH) announced the imminent arrival of the Israeli doctors, the Islamic Foundation called on the government not to normalise relations with the Jewish state or “accept any sort of assistance from Israel as long as they are in the lands of Palestine.”
    President of Islamic Foundation Ibrahim Fauzy told Minivan News last week that the Foundation does not recognise Israel as a state, asserting that “it is also against our religion to have relationships with Jews.”…

    jihadwatch.org

    Facts on the ground…

  • GG says:

    Oops, sorry, the Fatah article above is from August 8 2009.

  • GG says:

    by the way, apart from anything, whether I agree or disagree with the shenanigans of what’s happening in the radio station, this is all fairly normal in terms of growing pains for the station.

    the idea has to be tested in the real world and its identity will develop accordingly.

    As far as “peace” in Israel goes, Jews and Israel generally go for the two-state ‘solution”. It’s Arabs (and their terror groupies) that insist on their Islamic imperative to destroy the Jewish state.

    I’m afraid that until people recognise that opinions are meaningless unless based on facts, these disputes will continue.

    Optimistic hypotheses are another story of course.

  • Peter Hesrch says:

    GC, in case you have not realised, this thread is about the leadership and direction the LION radio station. Bram Presser’s or anybody else’s views on Fatah are as relevant to this thread as is the colour of my bicycle. You may have posted on the wrong thread or perhaps the wrong forum.

  • Marky says:

    GG has posted on the correct thread as the title is “hijacking”.:-)

    Seriously, what he writes needs to
    be told, if not here then on a more appropriate thread(maybe include a dicussion re the colour of Peter’s bike…)

  • Vanessa Steinberg says:

    MAZEL TOV Lion FM. You have done it again. Lied to me and told me my show would be on and then YOU DON’T BROADCAST IT. You prefer to bombard an unsuspecting public with the masturbatory, adolescent rantings of some unemployed university undergraduates or anachronistic sops who in their own stupors of narcissistic infatuation, actually believe they are interesting.
    You have truly shown the community and the anti-semites how to take an opportunity and destroy its potentiality to help us out the black hole we have helped vacuum ourselves into.
    I feel like joining the queue and suing you.

  • Vanessa Steinberg says:

    “by the way, apart from anything, whether I agree or disagree with the shenanigans of what’s happening in the radio station, this is all fairly normal in terms of growing pains for the station.

    the idea has to be tested in the real world and its identity will develop accordingly.”

    Couldn’t disagree more.
    All creative, human endeavours are organic and biotic processes and they effervesce or ferment at will, but an FM radio license is a privilege not an experiment that is publicly undertaken at the expense of our, sadly pungent, reputation as a community. The lack of professionalism and basic, plain, old, “no- name” brand, bad manners which have been explained away as everything from “Aspbergers” to the disability of cultural disparity (i.e. Israeli ticks of ethnic deportment and the psychological impact of the war zone from which they originate) on top of the lack of experience both on and off the air of the stations volunteers, the lack of support, the personal, financial cost to me which is not reimbursed and the sheer embarrassment of telling people I have interviewed that they will be on air at a certain time and they are not, or the people who tune in to listen only to find that I have had my time slot or day moved and NO ONE has told me, to the technical glitches, personal agendas, discrimination against gay members of the community, inability to accept political views which do not augur with “the powers that try to be” and, for the record, I am extremely right-wing, is finally crowned with the Baroque, finishing, decorative layer of 4000 years of culturally constructed misogyny excused as “The women’s programmes are on during the day and the boy’s in the afternoon and prime- time because the women’s stuff is more serious” has finally made me come to the conclusion that WE DON’T DESERVE OUR OWN COMMUNITY RADIO STATION.
    Everything I hear on that station these days I can glean from standing in line at either “Glicks” or “Haymisha Cookies” without the added bonus of bagels or biscuits to accompany my frustration.

  • GG says:

    Vanessa – yup, you outline exactly the growing pains I mentioned!

    It may surprise you, but a lot of community radio/TV/production groups, especially when they begin, have these issues to contend with.
    I don’t say it’s nice or fun or desirable. A lot of it stinks to be frank, and some groups die in the process. People leave. Some who want to volunteer find the lack of direction/conduct unbearable and they don’t come back. Others stick it out, however grim it seems.

    JoyFm, to give a most recent example, was started ages ago by a bunch of volunteers – it was chaotic, and people wandered in and out, did stuff, wandered out again. Noone knew what was going on. Now it’s run professionally, still as a community station with volunteers but they have their own niche and the crucial aspect – RADIO TRAINING for those doing shows is generally a given, as it is at 3RRR and PBS.

    These stations took a long time to get where they are, and I’m sure similar stories or survival tales would come from all the other community stations.
    I’d mention others, but Joy and 3RRR are the ones I know of most.

    As for Peter H, I am GG not GC.
    The reason I posted what I did is of supreme relevance. Bram P. noted that his views are to develop peace and so he (and Adam) discussed a twostate solution. I am merely pointing with my posting of the above that if he is going to discuss this issue on the radio and put forward views, it’s as well to understand the realities – Jews ahve always agreed to give land and give land and give land, partition and have a two-state solution.
    The Arabs, in the pursuit of jihad, have tried to destroy Israel and kill Jews (and Christians, Hindus, fellow Muslims, women, other non_muslims etc etc).
    Zionist radio station, then you may as well base your opinion on the facts. The facts are that the Palestinian Arabs (and most of the others), as I posted above, do NOT want a two-state solution.

    Their only desired solution is the Nazis ‘final” solution, which their mufti Haj Amin el Husseini so avidly campaigned for all over Europe in the 40s – and got.

  • GG says:

    One of my sentences disappeared!

    What I meant to write was that if you are going to give your opinion on a rasio station that from the beginning was established as a Zionist radio station, then you may as well base your opinion on the facts.

    To desire a twostate solution shows that you are out of touch with the desires of the Arabs. I still remember an Arab woman in USA who almost had apoplexy at the thought that Jews would dare to desire a self-sufficient, self-ruling state next to that of the Palestinians. For her, as she spat and spluttered,* the only acceptable solution was for Jews to live IN a Palestinian Arab state, UNDER the rule of the Palis.

    And anyone familiar with the history of dhimmi Jews (and Christians for that matter) under the Turks and Muslims before that knows how THAT repulsive little destiny turned out.

    *Actually her head almost exploded, she was so enraged she could barely articulate.

  • GG, my experience of JOY, from 1996, three years after it first went to air, until 2003, is somewhat different to what you say. It was relatively amateur initially, but I think it is unfair to say no one knew what was going on. Further, the presenters were not controlled or restricted in the ways being described of Lion and for the most part were given full control over what went to air in their allocated time-slot.

    To what extent have you been involved in JOY or other community radio?

  • GG says:

    Marky,

    thanks for your support.

    BTW, I am a chick.;)

  • Hershy aka Peter Hersch says:

    GG.
    So are you saying that is OK to censor Bram because of his views in favour of the two state solution ?
    And suddenly you think it is not OFF TOPIC to discuss the desires of the Arabs in a thread about this radio station’s direction ?
    You are not only a GG, you are GG’s ass if you pardon the Yankee parlance.

  • GG says:

    Hershy I don’t pardon you. I didn’t say anything about CENSORING Bram, if you read my post you would have noticed this.

    I said if he was putting forward a solution – which happens to involve TWO sides in this situation ie Israel and the Arabs – it is best to base your opinion on the reality of what is happening, which is why I posted those articles.
    This applies a hundred more times to you!

    As for you calling me GG’s ass, who the fuck do you think you are you retarded prick!
    Don’t expect me to take you seriously or reply to any further commentary of yours.

    Michael B – I did some volunteer stuff with JOY awhile ago. My impressions were garnered from comments of a worker there. I got the impression there had been a degree of chaos in the early days, which quite frankly would be normal for any new enterprise, especially one involving volunteers. If you didn’t experience this, fair enough, but I don’t think everyone had your experience!
    It doesn’t mean that positive things can’t grow from this sort of thing, it just means people need to focus more on direction and things eventually can settle into the shape of the future.
    Which change anyway.

  • GG says:

    My post re Bram – again. i do not recommend censorship, as any halfwit who bothers to ACTUALLY READ IT can see:

    “…if [Bram] is going to discuss this issue on the radio and put forward views, it’s as well to understand the realities – Jews ahve always agreed to give land and give land and give land, partition and have a two-state solution.
    The Arabs, in the pursuit of jihad, have tried to destroy Israel and kill Jews (and Christians, Hindus, fellow Muslims, women, other non_muslims etc etc)… you may as well base your opinion on the facts. The facts are that the Palestinian Arabs (and most of the others), as I posted above, do NOT want a two-state solution….”

  • Hershy aka Peter Hersch says:

    Well that tops anything I can say.
    No wonder you hide your name.

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  • Ilan Cohen says:

    Unfortunately Lion FM has become a community joke. There has been no content other then music and advertisements since the first of December 2010. Is it a benefit to the community to have a radio station that plays Israeli and English music and no other content? I think not. Does is deserve to be supported financially by the community? Again I think not.
    It was a nice concept which was obviously ruined by ineffectual management. Why did they bother applying for a license if not to use it. Why take on the responsibility? Do those in control show remorse for the opportunity they have squandered?
    I hope this poor effort does not impact on further requests for a Jewish radio license, although I must assume that it will.
    Shame on all those involved!
    It seems that Presser should seek employment as a clairvoyant.

  • Nati says:

    A friend of mine who is friends with the station manager Jon Kraus says that the station is closed until his return from holiday.

  • Newsmaker says:

    The station is undergoing incredible growth. The studios are being renovated and expanded, there are many more technical people on board, the presenters are getting professional training, and there are going to be many more new shows. LionFm in 2011 is going to be bigger, better, and more improved so stay tuned!

  • Michael says:

    Instead on constantly criticizing Lion FM perhaps all the detractors like Mr Presser and Co. should get their own license and start up their own Radio program.

  • Newsmaker says:

    Michael,it is much easier to whine and destroy than to work hard and build. It is much easier to be negative and lazy than to be positive and proactive.

  • The Difference says:

    I was just looking at the Lion FM website, and touhgt I would call the numbers advertised on it – to find that the advertised STUDIO number answers as Not Connected.

    The programs advertised on the website are no longer running, and the station just plays (mostly 80s hits and Hebrew music) music.

    While everyone argues it seems the radio station has gone into auto-pilot, no presenters, no shows, no phone numbers, nothing !

    Pity !

  • Brian Goldsmith says:

    Any further information about The Lion 96.1?

  • Marky says:

    Yes, the latest information is, there is something rotten there…

  • The Difference says:

    There has been argument regarding the status of people who signed up and paid $18 to join as “members” of Lion FM.

    While it has been argued that these people who signed the application (rather than those who donated the same $18 on line) should be considered bona fide members, the Committee as a whole is not accepting this position.

    This comes despite the ACMA and Community Broadcasting Codes Of Practise requirement that Membership be open to persons within the community interest represented by the organisation.

    Rule / Constitution changes to clarify this position have been proposed, and it now awaits the presentation of these to a SGM or an AGM for consideration by the members.

    Chicken or the Egg situation arises – if this is to occur, who are considered members ?

    My position is that ANY person who paid their $18 and who filled in a MEMBERSHIP form is a MEMBER, as their membership application was not rejected and their money was accepted.

    Quite simple really.

  • Mr Radio says:

    Whispers are a number of people involved with some former Melbourne community radio stations are asking about the 96.1 FM licence.

    Another individual is looking at putting out a call to form a inner suburbs station.

    The sharks are circling.

    If articles about two presidents are right and the program guide is really the mess that it is, then Lion FM have a long way to go to get their house in order.

  • Matt says:

    Is it all worth it?
    Consider all the controversy that has arisen from 96.1 – the arguments, verbal abuse, dissent etc.
    Melbourne has existed without a radio station, and the last thing our community needs is the rifts that this has created.
    No communal effort is smooth sailing, but has this gone too far?

  • Midnight MIke says:

    Mr Radio,

    You quote the following:

    (Whispers are a number of people involved with some former Melbourne community radio stations are asking about the 96.1 FM licence.

    Another individual is looking at putting out a call to form a inner suburbs station.

    The sharks are circling.)

    If these are the same hair brained idiots what were at the former City FM, Hitz FM , KIX FM etc., then I don’t think Lion FM has much to worry about.

    As for the whispers that you hear, they will remain just that, whispers nothing more..

    The words “pie in the sky comes to mind”.

    As for “sharks” these people are brainless goldfish with the same attention span..

    Anyway tune in Thursday nights from 10pm..

  • Insider says:

    “pie in the sky” & “brainless goldfish with the same attention span”

    Midnight Mike, presumably you are referring to the inept and dysfunctional
    Lion FM?
    The same station due to lose its temporary license on June 13th.

    Perhaps, you are unaware of the many license and program applications from around the community that have been refused, unprocessed and discarded. The ACMA sure aren’t.

  • Midnight Mike says:

    Insider,

    No I am not describing Lion FM with those comments.

    The station will get another 12 months of temporary broadcasting.

    However there are some very major issues with the station especially the membership one.

    We will have to have SGM to fix our constitution as it is very poorly written. (Very much a cut and paste job).

    We will not be able to obtain a full time licence until this happens.

    However the ACMA has no problem with the so called Zionist angle of our constitution.

    It is membership and the process of membership that is the issue.

    A few others and I (the former Secretary included) are working on resolving this and I must say it has been a bit trying at times.

    As for the politics it is more personal ego than political debate.

    Tune in Thursday Nights at 10..

    Midnight Mike

  • Active Lion Member says:

    Midnight Mike ( who would call thesmelf such a silly name?) knows NOTHING about what he is talking and just spread rumours and gossipp.

  • Midnight Mike says:

    Active Lion Member (Have we actually got some left have we?)

    You state the following:

    Midnight Mike ( who would call thesmelf such a silly name?) knows NOTHING about what he is talking and just spread rumours and gossipp.

    You are stating that the following is Rumour and Gossip..

    “However there are some very major issues with the station especially the membership one.

    We will have to have SGM to fix our constitution as it is very poorly written. (Very much a cut and paste job).

    We will not be able to obtain a full time licence until this happens.

    However the ACMA has no problem with the so called Zionist angle of our constitution.

    It is membership and the process of membership that is the issue.”

    Well, the ACMA didn’t think so, they sent us that lovely letter now, asking about the above points..

    And I bet it was fun answering that letter, especially the questions regarding membership..

    Possibly hours of entertainment..

    Tune in Thursday Nights at 10..

    Midnight Mike

  • Lion FM says:

    Insider,

    “Midnight Mike, presumably you are referring to the inept and dysfunctional Lion FM?”
    The station is run by volunteers who contribute as much time to the station as they can. People come and go throughout the day and put in as much time and effort as they can afford to. We do the best we can.

    “Perhaps, you are unaware of the many license and program applications from around the community that have been refused, unprocessed and discarded. The ACMA sure aren’t.”
    If you are aware of any program applications that have been neglected, please let us know. We have a limited amount of volunteers who produce and provide technical assistance for programs and we put on air as many programs as we are able to. I stress again, the station is run by volunteers who may not always have the time to get round to doing everything that needs to be done.

    We have an email address which you can address your complaints to: complaints@lionfm.org.au

    We invite anyone who would like to present a program on Lion FM to apply via our website and as always, invite everyone to get involved with helping us make Lion FM a better radio station.

  • Has the station had its licence renewed beyond Monday next week yet?

  • 10 Jun 2011
    The Australian Jewish News Melbourne edition
    PETER KOHN

    Lion faces the chop

    WITH Melborne Jewish Radio (MJR) – Lion FM’s 12-month probationary period expiring this month, the troubled community radio station continues to grapple with the governance issues that have plagued it almost since its launch last year.

    Lion FM’s temporary licence expires on June 13, and the Australian Communications and Media Authority (ACMA) has confirmed it was investigating the station under broadcasting legislation.

    MJR has applied for another temporary licence and an ACMA spokesperson said it had told the organisation a decision would be announced this week. Meanwhile, The AJN understands that, aside from MJR, two other Jewish groups are interested in obtaining the licence.

    But there are fears that if MJR loses the licence, applicants from the Jewish community will not be first in line when ACMA considers re-issuing it.

    Jewish Community Council of Victoria (JCCV) president John Searle said the JCCV would support the community broadcaster if it resolved its systemic problems. “In the event that governance issues were all cleared up, and the station was run properly, legally, and in a transparent and accountable fashion, its membership being opened up to all members of the community, then it may be that the JCCV could even support Lion FM, but until such time as that occurs, we cannot support it,” he told The AJN.

    “We believe our community deserves this radio station and it would be a terrible loss if this licence was revoked or not renewed.”

    MJR-Lion FM board member Ronit Fraid told The AJN this week the station was addressing governance issues. “Certainly things are more transparent and there is much more community involvement. There’s been quite a shift,” she said.

    Lion FM launched in June last year, but a few weeks later, its president Michael Lipshutz resigned, amid claims of censorship at the station.

    His successor John Kraus stepped down in March this year, after an emergency board meeting was cancelled under the threat of legal action by Lion FM vice-president Menachem Khoen.

    Since that time, the presidency has been vacant.

  • Midnight Mike says:

    Michael,

    In answer to your question, Lion FM originally obtained its licence on January 12th last year (2010).

    This was after 18 months of fighting for the frequency.

    Why June the 14th, well it took nearly six months to go on air and the ACMA was kind enough to start the 12 months from our first broadcast.

    They didn’t have to do so but they did, they could have started from January 12th instead.

    All the inaction and fighting that went on continued for the next six months, till enough people had been pushed out, that there was hardly anybody left.

    I will say this that a lot of people gave credence to so called management who told them to leave.

    A lot of that so called management did things off their own back reporting to nobody but themselves.

    Where the committee made it greatest mistakes was not pulling these people up to be accountable, if fact it was worse for some mad reason they even started endorsing this behaviour even though some of their number (the Secretary actually) tried to warm against this.

    But they would not listen to any advice from those 3 people (and the Secretary was the main one of those 3) who obtained the licence in the first place.

    In conclusion here we are…

    Tune in this Thursday night from 10pm

    Although maybe not next week…

    Midnight Mike

  • Midnight Mike says:

    Ladies and Gentleman would please listen to the following: This is not the end of Lion FM just a major restructure..

    To this end John Searle of the JCCV is organising a public meeting to keep you all informed of where we are going..

    To give you all some idea of history, this is where we started in the beginning and no one thought we would be able to obtain a licence..

    Well we did, didn’t we (we have just had 12 months of broadcasting) and we will do it again but we (the Jewish community) need to get our house in order first..

    Stephen (our former Secretary), Anton (Mr Hitz FM and City FM) and myself believe we can repeat history in obtaining another licence..

    The same three people that got us our licence in the first place are back on the case so please let us do our job..

  • Hershy says:

    To the management of Lion FM”:
    A lion sized screw up.
    You can be smug in knowing you did it your way.

    Whatever you have deprived this community of, you did it your way.
    What do you say now Shoshanna ?

  • The Outsider says:

    Well – its over

    Can’t blame the broadcastign authorities for not giving it the chance to continue when there is so little genuine community support for the station

    The community itself attacked it from the outside, it was attacking itself from the inside, volunteers tried to presernt shows, others were trying to grandstand themselves and say they told you so, and various people on the committees were likely playing politics all the way to the end

    Re structure ? Blow it up and start from scratch.

  • There’s an interesting comment on JewTribe by “Morry” explaining the technical reasons why the ACMA didn’t reissue the license.

  • Louisa says:

    What a load of hot air!!!! I agree with Gareth J who makes complete sense on this blog, and actually stays relevant.
    The whole important issue in this saga is the refusal to sign an agreement which asks for too much information.
    I’d like to know what exactly was being asked????? What was too personal in its nature.
    Why did a lawyer feel that it was a breach of privacy?
    The rest of this has become so longwinded that I’m tired of reading it!
    I just scrolled to the end to see if this has become infinite. Fortunately, there is a bottom of the page WHEW!!!!!!
    As Dr. Phil would say, is it more important to be right or is it more important to be rightminded?

  • Louisa says:

    p.s. I don’t know most of you, so I am writing based on what I have read here, and I’m not impressed by the pack mentality insults to Shoshanna Silcove . I don’t know her and have never heard of her, and I am secular, not frum.
    I read her comments which appear to me, straightforward and in defence of people who have remained silent.
    On the other hand, I see the original blogger as a vindictive person who didn’t win , and so feeling a loss of power, feels the need to retaliate in this way.
    I’m not impressed with this person nor his followers, because all of them have actually NOT stated what was so objectionable in the written agreement that he was asked to sign.
    All I’ve read, are descriptions of their perspectives on people I’ve never heard of, expecting the reader to form the same opinion.
    This is childish, schoolyard stuff.
    I hope you develop some maturity before you express your opinions on air, because if you want to shape people’s opinions, you need to give well informed statements of fact, so people can make up their own minds.
    Leaving out relevant information is lying by omission.

  • Michael Burd says:

    I echo Louisa’s comments wholeheartedly.

    Michael Burd.

  • Louisa says:

    Having skimmed through previous posts, I noticed the question of membership In the radio station. You might want to check the law on corporations and how they set up.
    I volunteered as the secretary for an unrelated community organisation which was set up under corporate law.
    The only finance it received was from the membership itself, in which case, we needed a public officer, president, secretary and committee of management to handle the money and be accountable to the membership.

    In the case of LION FM, I understand that this has been privately financed and not publicly listed, and therefore, falls under a different set of rules, even though it was set up for the community.

    You might want to check up on the difference between private companies and public corporations.

  • Adam Neira says:

    All media has a political agenda. If the proprietors and funders of Lion FM want to present a certain editorial stance that is their right. If the presenters don’t like it bad luck. What constitutes community in polyglot Melbourne is an interesting question.

    Australia circa mid 2011/5771 is a funny place…22 million people. Lots of different tribes. We have the : Materialists; Hedonists; Narcissists; Nihilists; Celebrity Worshippers; Spartan Sporties; The TV Addled; Rabid Secularists; Polytheists; Monotheists etc. There are so many groups with overlapping identity constructs and philosophical positions it would take too long to give a full demographic outline here. You get my drift.

    “The medium is the message”

    – Marshall Macluhan 1964

  • Louisa says:

    I agree with Adam, and they also have the legal right to draw up a constitution in any way they see fit, and also enforce those terms of their constitution.

    That constitution is lodged with the ACCC according to legal requirements—end of story.

  • David says:

    I am curious on somethin – the AGM of Lion FM reported that a contract had been signed with an existing radio station in Melbourne, allowing Lion FM to take up 5 days a week of its program time.

    Not specified was which frequency, the nature of the agreement, whether it is a community or commercial radio broadcast station.

    Further, the date for commencement of the service was announced as being Mid-October – this has come and gone – therefore the question remains – what (if any) agreement exists, what frequency will the service operate on, and if there was no agreement at the time of the announcement, or if the agreement may have been only tentative, why was it announced as being definite ?

    Does anyone know what’s happening ?

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