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Why a Yom Kippur Election is Great for the Jews

January 30, 2013 – 7:22 pm76 Comments

By Anthony Frosh
Today is a great day for the Jews of Australia. The Prime Minister, our head of government, mentioned us in a major speech. In our grandparents’ time, when a chief or senior administrator mentioned the Jewish community in such a prominent speech in respect to an upcoming date, it was normally of the vein, “The Jewish community has three weeks to leave town.”

For those that missed the news today, Julia Gillard announced that the federal election would take place on September 14th, which falls on Yom Kippur.  The PM said it was either Yom Kippur or AFL Grand Final day. This is more great news for the Jewish community, as it confirms for those of us who haven’t yet reviewed the fixtures that the AFL Grand Final does not fall on Yom Kippur.

Naturally, some might think that getting to vote in an election is more important than getting to watch the AFL Grand Final. Those that think this likely live in Sydney or Brisbane, where the indigenous football code is less popular. Of course, you can fully participate in the election by lodging a postal vote, but unfortunately, watching the grand final via the postal service is much less satisfying.

A Yom Kippur election is also a boon for those trying to encourage more of their fellow Jews to observe the Sabbath.  Just think of all the Jews who would have broken the laws of Shabbat by voting on a regular Saturday who will now register for postal voting because Yom Kippur is a bridge too far. Once going to the trouble of registering for postal voting, some might even register on an ongoing basis.

Now I’ve read on social media how some Jews are concerned that voting early excludes one from taking into account information gleaned in the final days before the election.  This is actually another positive, when one considers the quality of information that is promoted in this time. “Did you know that boat people throw their own children overboard…”
Perhaps this year it will be “Did you know that Greens leader, Christine Milne, is actually number three in line for the Al Qaeda throne?”
Or from the other side, “Did you know that Tony Abbott is such a misogynist that he plans to take the right to vote off women?”

I’m also looking forward to combining Breaking of the Fast dinner with a “Don’s Party” style vote-count get-together. After a 25+ hour fast, with your physical and mental energy depleted, you’re in the perfect condition to sit back and enjoy Antony Green, Laurie Oaks, or Graham “Richo” Richardson take you on a statistical and political journey of all 150 lower house seats, plus 76 in the upper house. I can hardly wait!

What I’m most looking forward to is when they review the seats, and Antony Green, the ABC’s election maestro, makes a comment like this, “Of course, it’s too early to call Melbourne Ports/Wentworth. There’s a lot of Jewish voters in that seat, and as we know, it was Yom Kippur today, and so we’ll have to wait for the postals to get a clearer picture.” I can see Jews collectively kvelling when that’s said.

What’s more, the Yom Kippur election will result in Australians learning a lot more about the diversity of Jewish identity and practice. Australians will learn that there are some Jews who will comfortably vote on Yom Kippur, some Jews who won’t vote on Yom Kippur, some Jews who won’t vote on any Saturday, and some Jews who will vote on Yom Kippur but will feel slightly guilty about it.

Postal voting also affords another advantage. There was a time when I would never have dreamed of voting below the line in the upper house.  However, for the previous federal election, my wife introduced me to her own voting ritual. I’ll never forget the romance of sitting on the couch as a couple, with postal voting forms in hand, laptops on laps, and going through a seemingly infinite number of voting combinations, painstakingly researching each and every Senate candidate, and ordering them according to a range of criteria. Once you vote below the track, you’ll never go back!

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  • L says:

    After all, what better day for a federal election than the Day of Judgement?

  • Jonny Schauder says:

    Good reflections Frosh… Grand final or Yom Kippur… Would’ve been a postal either way! LOL

  • Actually, L, Yom Kippur is the day of atonement. I’d say it’s been over 1000 days of judgement for the Gillard government thusfar, and high time we atoned!

  • Ashley says:

    You might be flicking between Antony, Laurie…and BT, Darc and Richo if your beloved Weagles are in the semi that night.

  • frosh says:

    Ashley, halevai, if that’s the case, it won’t even be a case of flicking.

  • Avi Turner says:

    “when a chief or senior administrator mentioned the Jewish community in such a prominent speech in respect to an upcoming date, it was normally of the vein, “The Jewish community has three weeks to leave town.””

    Australia hasn’t been perfect for the Jews but that above statement would not have been true for those members of Australian Jewry who can trace themselves from the pre World War II generation.

    “In 1917 the New south Wales Legislative Assembly did not sit on Yom Kippur because both the speaker John J. Cohen, and deputy speaker Daniel Levy, were observant Jews.”

    Rutland, S Brandl and Schlesinger, 1997, Edge of the Diaspora: Two centuries of Jewish Settlement in Australia.

    It also shows it’s not the first time Jews have had their beliefs discussed, expressed to the general Australian Public.

    Two recent examples would be:

    Joseph Gutnick not attending the Grand Final of his own football team because it was on Shabbat.

    Kevein Rudd organizing a special session for Jews, when he convened a Australian 2020 summit which clashed with Pesach/Passover.

    http://news.smh.com.au/national/rudd-makes-amends-for-jewish-summit-snub-20080414-263a.html

  • frosh says:

    Avi, That statement wasn’t a reference to Australia.

    The majority of Jewish adults in Australia would have foreign born grandparents. It was a reference to the hostility that Jewish communities in Europe and the Middle East experienced, juxtaposed with the lack of hostility in Australia.

  • Steven says:

    Application for registration as a General Postal Voter for Federal, State and Local elections

    https://www.vec.vic.gov.au/files/gpv.pdf

  • R B says:

    The problem is more for Jewish candidates than for Jewish voters, this forces them to choose between being out-of-field on election day – or, if they do not observe Yom Kippur personally, being there and later being criticized by most of the Jewish community.

  • Otto Waldmann says:

    It is quite obvious that our Labor leaders did not know or care about Yom Kippur and now, that it has been drawn to their attention , some casual stupid excuse/explanation shall emerge, usually from the Mr Swan who does not care what he says, but the expressions: ” Two speed economy” and ” Investment pipeline” are bound to be in the Yom Kippur excuse…..
    What is a bit more interesting is that our Jewish blokes in the caucus did not seem to be present minded about the same before the decision/ announcement.
    Anyways, a similar case was sometines in the 70’s State elections in NSW and we all had the oportunity to vote on a day prior. I remember waiting in line at Waverley Council Chambers where pre-voting was organised along with tens of other Jews. What struck me was that quite a number of the ones from foreign shtetls, when filling a special form and asked to state their religion, did not know to spell the word “Jewish”.All kind of “funny” variations were given. A Greek bloke turned out and was told that he had to be Jewish to be allowed to pre-vote. Obviously he got irritated and showerd us with some well seasoned comments. Because I learnt a few “nice” words in his language, I told him how he could make his female family members extatically happy. More of the same ensued. What a fun day we all had !!

    My gorgeous Missus just said : ” How can “she” be so stupid. It wouldn’t happened on Ramadam or some Xtian big day …!!”.
    But I betya that the slightest comment about “consideration” given to Jewish sensibilities from the Gov. will trigger some of the nastiest anti Semitic comments from all quarters ( may be even some Jewish ones …), just to confirm that Oz is not anti Semitic at all.

  • TheSadducee says:

    “if they do not observe Yom Kippur personally, being there and later being criticized by most of the Jewish community.”

    -why? individuals in the community should look towards their own problems before criticising others for theirs, especially on Yom Kippur…

    It is a good point you raise though (indirectly) – what right does the broader Jewish community have to criticise other Jews for their personal behaviour(s) in these type of public matters?

    If the rabbis object, let them issue a public rebuke or a cherem (if they had the temerity considering their own public failings in a variety of areas), otherwise people should mind their own business.

  • TheSadducee says:

    @Avi Turner

    You missed the page reference for that quote.

  • Margaret says:

    Brilliant article Anthony; putting it all in perspective for the 99% of Jews who aren’t Josh Frydenberg or Michael Danby.

  • ariel says:

    Great article frosh!

    Although, may i point out that even more convenient than postal voting is pre-poll voting.

    As a sabbath keeper, I have never in my life voted on a Saturday. I always go to the nearest electoral office about 10 days befor the election (usually Sydney Town Hall as it’s just up the road from my office) and vote mid week.

    While we’re on the subject, I would like to say how embarrassed I am as a Jewish voter by Michael Danby.
    His tantrum about boycotting the election is childish hyperbole that will be a lightning rod to those who say that we Jews think the world revolves around us. Guess what Michael, it doesn’t! (At least not when it comes to the PM of Australia scheduling events in her diary to accommodate 100,000 odd citizens out of 21,000,000).

    This morning on ABC24 I saw Foreign Minister Bob Carr say something reasonable: when asked about Michael Danby and whether the election date was insensitive to the Jewish community, Carr replied that there is postal voting and – as I described above – the even more convenient pre-poll voting where you can vote any weekday of your choosing up to 3 weeks prior to the big day.

    I echo Mr Carr’s suggestion that Mr Danby, the other Jewish MPs and other MPs with large Jewish populations encourage their Jewish constituents to go to the pre-polling events.

  • steve alperstein says:

    Jews should be so grateful to have been mentioned in this context by the PM. It’s a real honour. Let us all tug our forelocks a bit more.
    Does anyone believe the only two dates available were Yom Kippur and the AFL Grand Final?

  • TheSadducee says:

    ariel

    Those who say that Jews think the world revolves around them are scumbags anyway and why are you embarrased by what Danby does with regards to his own personal religious practices or what (probably antisemitic) scumbags think about that? Bizarre.

  • letters in the age says:

    Just saying peeps….

    Gets a bit tiring when Jewish politicians play identity politics and also that nice political game called…

    Being a Jew of convenience….!!

    Guess which ones engage in that i wonder?

    Furthermore very poor form for Mr Turnball to engage in that game of political Jewish sympathies via his facebook…

    Sack your advisor Minister!!!

    I expected better from him.

    Sigh

  • letters in the age says:

    Danby has lost a lot of respect amongst Gen y anyway Ariel.

    In the City of Ports , there is a facebook campaign for marriage equality against him.

    He is irrelevent now and knows his time is up…

  • letters in the age says:

    Danby= A.L.P dead wood.

    One of many that must go.

    Generational change is required including many members of the Press Gallery and media.

    Thanks for your contribution to the Jewish community sir,but it’s time to go…

    Shalom

  • ariel says:

    Saducee,

    I’m embarrassed by Danby’s tantrum, not his level of religious observance.

    Unfortunately, in society there is often an automatic thought when a member of a minority does something silly to say “bloody [INSERT ETHNICITY HERE]”.

    Not everyone thinks that way, but many do.

  • Otto Waldmann says:

    You blokes who are telling us that there is such a thing as postal voting are just simply great !!! I had no idea !!!!

    Michael Danby, by far the master of platitudes and occasional truncated statements, the Labor cuddly sadly ignored loyal “team spirit” Patrocles, never granted the honour of a cabinet post, could not run against that team spirit in favour of his “other” team, the Jewish community.
    A plain, even truncated statement from Michael and why not our other “inspiration” up there in Labor Land, Josh, of the Jewish choice would have given me, for one, some naches that a real Yid is up there carring at least in a perfunctory manner for his religious/ethnic/whatever ilk. It would not have made any dif. to the date, still Sept. 14, and by all of my acounts I wont even be in Australia then, but my eyes would have dilated with an impressive grin and exclaim: ” A gitte Yid !!” with the ensuing naches. As such, and this goes also for me mate Peter W., naches gurnischt !!!!

  • letters in the age says:

    Josh Frydenbergs inane comment via his twitter campaign about disenfranchising the jews is ridiculous…

    Joshs arrogant and non practising Jewish attitude is disappointing to say the least but expected from a self entitlement syndrome

  • letters in the age says:

    Petros Georgiou we miss you dearly in Kooyong….

  • TheSadducee says:

    “Joshs arrogant and non practising Jewish attitude is disappointing to say the least”

    – again, who are you to judge anyone else’s observance or beliefs?

    Amazing the willingness (and temerity) of those with their own sins to throw stones at others for theirs in our community!

  • letters in the age says:

    Sadduce,

    With the utmost respect ,politicians play identity politics all the time sadly

    Be it Jewish,Greek,Gay etc

    Thats all….

  • Reality Check says:

    So bloody what? Are we Jews so delicate. It is unfortunate that this has happened, and Danby isn’t boycotting anything. He is just committed to his Jewishness.

  • letters in the age says:

    Danby isnt campaigning for his own job,,,???

    That”s weird but he will change his mind i”m sure

    That”s a comment he might regret saying.

  • Otto Waldmann says:

    Yes Letters, Danby might as well keep on campaigning for his job as NOTHING, I says NOTHING is certain in politics, particulaly in Labor rear-stabbin’ sty.
    Anyways, thus Jews are proving useful once again. Some score points by showing loyalty to their political choice gangs at the expense of the Jewish rachmunes, others score points by expanding that famous tikun olam at the expense of…………..wait a minute, it’s also US. But, then again aren’t we bloody filthy rich and can afford all these expenses !!! I would make them “expenses” tax deuctable. What a brilliant….Jewish idea !!!!

  • letters in the age says:

    Danby has a safe constituency,however its going to be a very,very long year for all

    Anything can happen in the weird world of politics.

    Switch off now Otto,it will drive you nuts…

    You dont need that.

  • Otto Waldmann says:

    Lettres, you have no idea how right you are !!
    switch off indeed. In a couple of weeks I am off to UK, Europe for some seven months……………

    NB
    “good riddens ” and alike dont mean nothin’, so those keen on that stuff forget it !!

  • letters in the age says:

    Lol!!!

    Safe travels.

  • letters in the age says:

    Could you kindky take Minister Pyne with you…

    He is obsessed with tacky Jewish references for political point scoring….

    Goodness its started already.

    Sigh

  • Philip Mendes says:

    Hopefully those Jews who were considering voting for Abbott will elect not to vote.

  • letters in the age says:

    Phillip et al,

    That was the whole strategy in the first place by having it Yom Kippur

    Genius maybe?

    Jews vote for the Liberal party out of self-interest these days sadly…… even if it offends certain sectors of the Orthodox Community.

    Great interview with Manny Waks on The Schtick yesterday.

    I see a possible future in politics and it would be great to see a member of his generation and community in Parliament.

  • Reallity Check says:

    Letters in the age, a very sad but true observation about Jews voting for Abbott, and they pretend it’s all about Israel, yeah right!

  • Reallity Check says:

    And Philip, unfortunately for those Jews voting for Abbott, their self-interests will out weight their heritage, and even on Yom Kippur they’ll still vote for him.

  • Otto Waldmann says:

    Hang on fellas, what’s all this criticism of the poor Liberal blokes, whether Abbott, Pyne or whoever !!
    We only have two major choices. If we bag the Libs all that’s realistically left is:

    Carr
    Albanese
    Pliberscek (sic )
    Conroy
    Gillard
    Swan
    etc.

    is the Labor team a better choice !!!

    ( dont remember ever being so short, clear and, specially, SWEET )

  • TheSadducee says:

    “unfortunately for those Jews voting for Abbott, their self-interests will out weight their heritage”

    -what in the world does this mean?

  • Reality Check says:

    Otto, so you like Mr. Pyne, who reckons the Labor government is unravelling like Hitler’s government. I suspect also there is a conspiracy behind Julia Gillard making Mark Dreyfus the AG, smacks of anti-semitism to me.

    I’ll give you a hint The Sadducee, Those Jews voting for Abbott on Tom Kippur will be putting their self interests ahead of their Jewish heritage. Does not help? If not I’ll happily give you an even simpler explanation.

  • Reality Check says:

    A couple of typos, sorry; like Yom not Tom (I don’t even know any Toms)and “Does that (not not) help?”

  • Philip Mendes says:

    Otto: I’d be the first to state that this is not a great Labor Goverment, and most of its social and economic policies are well to the Right of where I sit. But we found out last time with Howard that even the most conservative Labor Government (and Keating and Hawke were pretty conservative) is still much much better than the conservative alternative. Those Jews who don’t like Gillard should think twice before voting for such an extremist alternative.

  • Reallity Check says:

    Philip, somehow I don’t think it’s Labor’s shift to the right that is putting Otto and his mates off Gillard. And I suspect Otto also thinks that Pyne’s answer to a question on Q&A last night that they’ll be able to get a surplus within 12 months even though they can’t do any costing on their promises and after scrapping the carbon and mining taxes, was perfectly reasonable.

  • Otto Waldmann says:

    Reality

    I shall state with vigour: OUR POLITICIANS ARE NOT, REPEAT NOT inspiring intellectual specimens ( liberal use of the term “specimen” invited ). Almost NONE of the current “Canberra luminaries ” contains the ingredients that would ellicit ANY cerebral attention from me !!! OK !!! To this extent the puerile exploits vis a vis analogies of the “historic” kind abound on all sides of the “House”. In fact there is a compulsory fest/feast of humorous triviality that at times dominates both sides of the isles. WE DO NOT produce in Australia anything memorable in terms of sobriety and intellectual value, jokes, idiotic exchanges, heaps mental embarassments even more.

    And this is why I am surprised at Philip that he would relegate his standards and even utter the notion of some kind of “philosophical” content, ethical substance or ANYTHING inspiring to him as a seasoned academic.
    To mine, politicians of all shades in Australia contain NO intellectual fibre at all. What, Labor – wherever they are – can be counted on as, what…..lefties……..who the Obeid clan, because he is the quintessential LABOR, all capital letters, or Mr. Williams the former PRESIDENT of the same labor Party….!!??
    Social agendas…………..!!!
    True radical reforms were implemented by a certain Mr. Whitlam at the crossroads of an antiquated Australian political/social establishment, the reverberations of that quasi revolutionary period even now resounding with a touch of nostalgia. And to that, yes Philip you are quite right to sigh. Truth is that we are saddled with political cynicism of the highest order, crude social accounatncy practices that cut into the hopes for universal equity, reducing it to a romantic pursuit to no practical avail/implementation hopes.There was once a Barry Jones gracing the corridors of power but power escaped him comprehensively and he was a lonely splendour in the comedy pit Parliament House has remained. What we have these days is a Labor “lefty” placebo parading at convenient times the rhetoric of stale irrelevance, those incongruities when words attempt and fail to fit reality……………

    So this is why I shall vote…..LIBERAL !!!!
    NB
    Do not attempt to make sense of my ellective political affinities !!!

  • Reallity Check says:

    Otto, could you ran that past me again.

  • Reallity Check says:

    Eds: Comment removed. Reason: Shoah trivialisation. Just because someone doesn’t vote for your beloved ALP, doesn’t warrant likening that person to someone who “voted for Hitler.” Furthermore, if you are going to attack named individuals in the community, you ought to use YOUR OWN NAME. We’re willing to give people more leeway if they write under their own name.

  • TheSadducee says:

    “I didn’t before, but Fishman has shown how Jews did vote for Hitler in 1933 after they knew what he thought of them. Unbelievable”

    – that’s a new low.

    [Eds: We agree, which is why we have removed the offending comment from Reality Check].

  • TheSadducee says:

    “Those Jews who don’t like Gillard should think twice before voting for such an extremist alternative.”

    -Golden Dawn is an extremist alternative. The Liberal party isn’t. Maybe a case of ADS here (Abbott Derangement Syndrome)?

  • Reality Check says:

    Whatever dear Ed, but can I just say that those supporters of the Liberals should have a look at the Last post column in today’s The Australian.

    And The Sudducee, for sure a new low, when a Jew attacks another Jew for when a non-Jewish politian makes out that Labor government’s wows are like the wows that Hitler faced.

    Thank you and goodbye.

  • Reality Check says:

    One more thing, dear Eds, if The Sudducee can can use peoples’ names and he doesn’t give his name, why can’t I. And, it’s not me who is trivializing the Shoah, it’s Fishman.

  • Otto Waldmann says:

    Reality
    no I will not run it again for you, but will gladly run you over !

    ( only a joke, bcs I need you for bag punching practice )

  • Reality Check says:

    Cutting Otto, very cutting!

  • TheSadducee says:

    Reality Check

    Pyne appeared to be referencing the pop-culture meme of the scene in Downfall where Hitler is ranting etc to his followers in the bunker.

    It is a very well known meme and has been used by all sorts of people to express a variety of of political/social points of view – usually amusing but not always.

    See – http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8617454.stm

    Tasteless and tacky – definitely. But so was The Producers.

    Trivialisation of the Shoah – dependent on what the content of the individual piece is in each instance. Hardly likely in Pyne’s intention – unless you have something demonstrate to suggest otherwise. Dreyfuss certainly didn’t.

    Suggesting, as casually as you did, that a (presumed?) Jewish person who has an alternative opinion to yours would have voted for the NSDAP in 1933 because of that difference is extremely offensive and possibly defamatory(?), and without a doubt foolish.

    Clearly Labour’s situation is not similar to the situation of the Nazi leadership in April 1945 – in that regard Pyne’s comment was silly and irreverent – I suspect that was Pyney’s intention. It would have been best ignored to be honest rather than blown up as it has been.

  • TheSadducee says:

    “if The Sudducee can can use peoples’ names and he doesn’t give his name, why can’t I.”

    -because I try to avoid making comments here which could make the site owners/editors potentially liable to defamation proceedings.

  • letters in the age says:

    Philip,

    Its just power for powers sake and the next generation of young Libs around the Caulfield branch are selfish careerists

    Mr Turnballs interview on Radio National has confirmed that his stance on Climate Change was just rhetoric….

    Listen to Waleed”s interview ,its sad and revealing about the coalition

  • letters in the age says:

    Extremism is Geert Wilders and his talk in Melbourne organised by the Q society is a real lesson in hate…

  • Otto Waldmann says:

    The Sad…..
    how on earth did you arrive at the “tasteless and tacky” re perhaps the best ever screen creations, “The Producers” !!!!

  • Reality Check says:

    Go right ahead and vote for Abbott, Otto, Robert Weils and Co. Vote for lower education funding for both public and private schools, vote for repealing the carbon and mining taxes while making heaps of promises which are totally unfunded but they’ll still have a surplus. Vote for using the navy to stop the invasion of those dangerous refugees threatening our borders. Vote for repealing parts of the racial discrimination act so that our enemies will be free to insult and threat us. Vote for inaction in building any infa-structure and services. Vote for massive job losses. And don’t forget Mr Weilsto vote Michael Danby out. A just reward for his hard work in getting funding for our schools, for standing up for Israel and the Jewish community, more than any other Jewish MP had ever done. And people think Jews are clever: what upper nonsense.

  • Reality Check says:

    The Sud… Make sure you quote all of me, if you respond.

  • TheSadducee says:

    Reality Check

    I actually lean towards the Greens in my political leanings generally but it doesn’t mean that I can’t try to listen and understand alternative points of view without offending others or indulging in partisan rhetoric instinctively.

  • Otto Waldmann says:

    Reality…
    thanks for reminding me some of the reasons I should vote Liberal.

    ( I felt miserable about my “smart” quip the other day, but you seem to ask for this kinda stuff and I only obliged…. )

  • Reality Check says:

    Eds: Comment removed. This is your final warning re Godwin’s Law. Next time will land you in pre-mod.

  • Otto Waldmann says:

    Reality

    the inverted commas had a function on smart, the inverted comment of me and the nazis confirmed that the idea of running you over did not hurt you at all, but encouraged more derailments.

    I can only blame myself for wasting civil retorts.

  • Reality Check says:

    Otto, does that mean you’re going to get really nasty now?

  • Otto Waldmann says:

    Reality…

    see, now you are getting pedestrian, common. That’s puberty stuff, you just squeeze pimples and reckon that u “created” puss. I dont expect any better/higher though……..

  • Reality Check says:

    Ooo Otto, that is so nasty.

  • TheSadducee says:

    C’mon folks – be nice and keep it clean. It’s not a flattering portrait that either of you are painting at the moment…

  • letters in the age says:

    Time Out…..

    The world is watching….

    What type of legacy are you leaving for the next generation guys with comments like this i wonder?

    sigh

    chill out…..

    lol!

    ;)

  • letters in the age says:

    If it gets any worse Galus, the authorities should be informed..

    Enough!

  • Reality Check says:

    Eds, fair suck of the sauce bottle. Otto is threatening to run me over, and Im the bad guy; I mean, really

  • Otto Waldmann says:

    Eds: Comment removed. Further childish comments on this thread will be removed.

  • letters in the age says:

    Great!!!

    Set decent standards Galus.

  • letters in the age says:

    Nastiness diminishes the credibility of this blog and that of the Jewish diaspora here.

    [Eds: If you have issues with a particular comment, or would like to discuss our moderation policy, you are welcome to *email* the editors. However, leaving repetitive anonymous comments about “standards” does nothing to lift those standards].

  • Reality Check says:

    letters in the age; reflecting on the responses I received from Otto, I agree. Just check out his response to some of my comments; in particular, after I warned about voting for Abbott. This Otto has a real nasty streak. I certainly won’t be engaging with his rubbish in the future.

  • TheSadducee says:

    Anyone heard of pots, kettles and black?

  • Otto Waldmann says:

    re; removal of “childish” comments.
    There is a famous speech by Cicero in the Senat called ” De coniuratione Catilina ” it starts with now classic ” Quousque tandem abutere Catilina patientia nostra “. I won’t translate it bcs I simply presume that all you NOT childish bloggers know it.
    By short extention, how long can one take seriously, in a “mature” way the stuff that certain people splash on such important sites !!?? There is patience and tollerance and when it seems wasted, ridicule, as in “childish”, comes to the rescue of, at least, a ballanced, well disposed, why not, humorous state. It seems to me that blatant offensive language is not classified here as “childish”, as if schoolyard obscenities trump good humor, let’s say creative and dynamic interludes……
    This is a contest of words and mine, “childish” as deemed, had nothing offensive per se in them. I never wished I would be an accountant or IT specialist or even lawyer, all those conditions would have killed the childish, refreshing traits I find in myself so revitalising and sometimes so…..blessed in being different.
    Yourse guys should try it sometimes !!

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