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Breaking News: Rabbi Glick Interviewed According to Herald Sun and Rabbi Smukler’s Response – Updated 6:00pm

December 9, 2013 – 2:16 pm103 Comments

From the editor:

arrested2Manny Waks and Tzedek have published the following on their Facebook Wall:

“We can now confirm that a major figure within the Melbourne Yeshivah community has been arrested and formally interviewed on allegations of child sexual abuse. We understand that this figure, who is currently employed by Yeshivah, has been released and charges are yet to be laid. More to come in due course.”

We’ll keep readers updated as more information comes to hand.

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Update at 3:49pm: A senior communal figure has strongly refuted Manny Waks’s and Tzedek’s account. The figure states categorically that no arrest has been made.

Update at 5:30pm: The Herald Sun names Rabbi Glick as the Yeshiva employee who was, “arrested and formally interviewed by police last week.”

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/former-yeshiva-principal-rabbi-abraham-glick-stood-down-amid-rape-allegations/story-fni0fee2-1226779033280

Update at 6:00pm: Below is the email Rabbi Smukler, Principal of Yeshivah-Beth Rivkah has sent to parents regarding R’ Glick’s interview:

“Several weeks ago I wrote to you concerning rumours of an active Police investigation into allegations of Child Abuse by a current member of Yeshivah College staff.  I was repeatedly reassured by Senior Police and, acting on their advice, I informed you that no such investigation was underway.  I also informed you that our policies and procedures in relation to such matters dictated that any member of staff who became the subject of such an investigation would be stood down pending finalisation of the investigation and the determination of any charges that were laid as a result.

Late last week the College was informed that the Victoria Police SANO task force had commenced an investigation into allegations against a staff member at Yeshivah College.  We understand that the allegations relate to alleged conduct in the 1970s.  In accordance with our policy and procedure, the staff member was immediately stood down from his position at Yeshivah and he has not attended the campus or had contact with the students since that time.

We learned today that the Police have interviewed the staff member in relation to the allegations and he was released pending further enquiries with no charges laid.  We will continue his suspension from duties and all contact with the students of the school until the outcome of the inquiry is known.

The College’s action in standing down the staff member should not be seen as prejudging the outcome of the investigation and the College affirms that the staff member is fully entitled to the presumption of innocence accorded to him by Law.

Senior members of the SANO taskforce have commended Yeshivah on our preventative and safety measures and fully endorse the actions we have taken. They have reiterated their full confidence in our current policies and procedures to handle matters relating to Child Abuse and have expressed their appreciation for our active support in relation to their important work.

Yeshivah College recognises that the effects of abuse are profound and ongoing and that victims need the support and understanding of those around them to assist with their recovery. We have counselled and supported several victims of historical Child Abuse and we once again reach out with our offer of support to anyone who feels it may be of benefit to them.  For confidential support please email support@yeshivahcentre.org .

We employ absolute best practice and prioritise child safety.  Through training, we create a vigilant staff, empower our children, and partner with and increase awareness in our parent body. We also work closely with community agencies and the authorities in order to keep our children safe.

The College is and will continue to fully cooperate with the Police and work closely with them in relation to child protection matters.  Anyone who has information that may assist the Police are urged to contact Moorabbin SOCIT (Sexual Offences and Child Abuse Team) on 9556 6565 or the Police SANO Task Force on: sanotaskforce@police.vic.gov.au.

Sincerely,

 

Rabbi Yehoshua Smukler

Principal Yeshivah – Beth Rivkah Colleges”

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  • Sceptic says:

    Tzedek has been quiet for the past few weeks and obviously needs the publicity. These fabricated stories are getting a little difficult to put up with.
    Obviously Galus is happy to post unsubstantiated stories – even if you did post the refutation so quickly.

  • MargB says:

    Sceptic – so far, since Manny first went public with his claims, he has been vindicated every step of the way with former Yeshivah employees/contractors/associates David Kramer and David Cyprus being convicted of child sexual abuse offences. Yeshivah officials, however, have been routinely criticised by law enforcement professionals – including a Melbourne magistrate describing former Yeshivah principal (and current employee) Rabbi Glick’s evidence as “unfathonable”. I’d be very wary of acusing Manny of fabricating stories.

    What to me is so unfathonable is why Yeshivah still thinks it can ignore so many claims of child sexual abuse; why it hasn’t learnt from the Catholic Church’s experiences and why it doesn’t come out strongly once and for all on the side of protecting innocent children instead of trying to salvage its already ragged reputation.

  • even more sceptical says:

    Editor: Do not speculate about posters’ identities.

  • Steven says:

    Is this clear enough insult removed – editor: do not make abusive remarks. Further infractions will result in suspension of your account.

    Yeshivah College statement regarding arrest of senior official
    Posted on December 9, 2013 by Tzedek

    9 December 2013

    Several weeks ago I wrote to you concerning rumours of an active Police investigation into allegations of Child Abuse by a current member of Yeshivah College staff. I was repeatedly reassured by Senior Police and, acting on their advice, I informed you that no such investigation was underway. I also informed you that our policies and procedures in relation to such matters dictated that any member of staff who became the subject of such an investigation would be stood down pending finalisation of the investigation and the determination of any charges that were laid as a result.

    Late last week the College was informed that the Victoria Police SANO task force had commenced an investigation into allegations against a staff member at Yeshivah College. We understand that the allegations relate to alleged conduct in the 1970s. In accordance with our policy and procedure, the staff member was immediately stood down from his position at Yeshivah and he has not attended the campus or had contact with the students since that time.

    We learned today that the Police have interviewed the staff member in relation to the allegations and he was released pending further enquiries with no charges laid. We will continue his suspension from duties and all contact with the students of the school until the outcome of the inquiry is known.

    The College’s action in standing down the staff member should not be seen as prejudging the outcome of the investigation and the College affirms that the staff member is fully entitled to the presumption of innocence accorded to him by Law.

    Senior members of the SANO taskforce have commended Yeshivah on our preventative and safety measures and fully endorse the actions we have taken. They have reiterated their full confidence in our current policies and procedures to handle matters relating to Child Abuse and have expressed their appreciation for our active support in relation to their important work.

    Yeshivah College recognises that the effects of abuse are profound and ongoing and that victims need the support and understanding of those around them to assist with their recovery. We have counselled and supported several victims of historical Child Abuse and we once again reach out with our offer of support to anyone who feels it may be of benefit to them. For confidential support please email support@yeshivahcentre.org .

    We employ absolute best practice and prioritise child safety. Through training, we create a vigilant staff, empower our children, and partner with and increase awareness in our parent body. We also work closely with community agencies and the authorities in order to keep our children safe.

    The College is and will continue to fully cooperate with the Police and work closely with them in relation to child protection matters. Anyone who has information that may assist the Police are urged to contact Moorabbin SOCIT (Sexual Offences and Child Abuse Team) on 9556 6565 or the Police SANO Task Force on:sanotaskforce@police.vic.gov.au.

    Sincerely,

    Rabbi Yehoshua Smukler

    Principal Yeshivah – Beth Rivkah Colleges

  • Steven says:

    Do not submit information that’s already in the post.

  • Brad says:

    Tzedek writes today ….We welcome today’s statement by Yeshivah College Principal, Rabbi Yehoshua Smukler, acknowledging the previous misinformation that Yeshivah disseminated and the fact that the alleged perpetrator has now been stood down.

    Why does he use the terminology “previous misinformation”? Smukler received notification at the time that no current teacher was being investigated. Is Tzedek insinuating Smukler lied? For heavens sake only a f/wit would lie in these circumstances and an bigger f/wit would believe Smukler did. Unless of course one has a vendetta, in which case nothing will appease or placate them. Next, Smukler said he would stand anyone down immediately if the police confirmed an investigation, and he was true to his word. The Waks want us to believe they don’t have a vendetta? Yeah, the police are liars, Smukler is a liar, the only honest buggers are the Waks? And they don’t have a vendetta.

    Money money money
    All the things I could do
    If I had a little money

  • John H says:

    There is no way this story is true anybody who knows Rabbi Glick would know that such a story could only be made up by a person with bi-polar or similar ailments.

  • simone says:

    This is nothing more than a blood libel akin to those of the days of old. Just like days of old, a nefarious alliance between jew haters and self hating jews has come up with this concocted half backed story that anyone with even the slightest knowledge of the Yeshivah Synagogue and the entire horrific nature of pedophillia would see that this story doesn’t begin. What a disaster for real child abuse!

  • Joe in Australia says:

    A criminal lawyer I know was surprised to see that Rabbi Glick’s name had been released, given that he has not been charged – and depending on the result of the inquiry, may never be charged. In that event he might well decide to vindicate his innocence with an action for libel.

  • kush says:

    Interviewed or charged? two VERY different things. The police will follow up any allegation with an interview.

    I have no patience this round to debate EN whenever he decides to wake up to this post………

  • Correction to timeline says:

    Just to inform you of the correct time line of events.
    The first email from Rabbi Smukler arrived at 3:52. Once Rabbi Glicks name was released to the media, Rabbi Smukler sent the following email (at 5.13)

    Several weeks ago I wrote to you concerning rumours of an active Police investigation into allegations of Child Abuse by a current member of Yeshivah College staff. I was repeatedly reassured by Senior Police and, acting on their advice, I informed you that no such investigation was underway. I also informed you that our policies and procedures in relation to such matters dictated that any member of staff who became the subject of such an investigation would be stood down pending finalisation of the investigation and the determination of any charges that were laid as a result.

    Late last week the College was informed that the Victoria Police SANO task force had commenced an investigation into allegations against Rabbi Avrohom Glick, former Principal and present Head of Jewish Studies of Yeshivah College High School. We understand that the allegations relate to alleged conduct in the 1970s. Notwithstanding that Rabbi Glick is a highly respected staff member and community figure, in accordance with our policy and procedure, he was immediately stood down from his position at Yeshivah. Rabbi Glick has not attended the campus or had contact with the students since that time.

    We learned today that the Police have interviewed Rabbi Glick in relation to the allegations and he was released pending further enquiries with no charges laid. We will continue his suspension from duties and all contact with the students of the school until the outcome of the inquiry is known.

    The College’s action in standing down Rabbi Glick should not be seen as prejudging the outcome of the investigation and the College affirms that Rabbi Glick is fully entitled to the presumption of innocence accorded to him by Law.

    Senior members of the SANO taskforce have commended Yeshivah on our preventative and safety measures and fully endorse the actions we have taken. They have reiterated their full confidence in our current policies and procedures to handle matters relating to Child Abuse and have expressed their appreciation for our active support in relation to their important work.

    Yeshivah College recognises that the effects of abuse are profound and ongoing and that victims need the support and understanding of those around them to assist with their recovery. We have counselled and supported several victims of historical Child Abuse and we once again reach out with our offer of support to anyone who feels it may be of benefit to them. For confidential support please email support@yeshivahcentre.org .

    We employ absolute best practice and prioritise child safety. Through training, we create a vigilant staff, empower our children, and partner with and increase awareness in our parent body. We also work closely with community agencies and the authorities in order to keep our children safe.

    The College is and will continue to fully cooperate with the Police and work closely with them in relation to child protection matters. Anyone who has information that may assist the Police are urged to contact Moorabbin SOCIT (Sexual Offences and Child Abuse Team) on 9556 6565 or the Police SANO Task Force on: sanotaskforce@police.vic.gov.au.

    Sincerely,

    Rabbi Yehoshua Smukler

    Principal Yeshivah – Beth Rivkah Colleges

  • Dina says:

    Manny announced tonight that he will apologise if he is proven wrong on any allegations. Can’t wait to hear it Manny.I know of one for a fact and the police have hard evidence of it.

  • Joe in Australia says:

    The Herald-Sun doesn’t use the word “arrest”. After people are arrested they are typically interviewed, of course, but that doesn’t imply that arrest is a sort of prelude to an interview. I’m not a lawyer, but my understanding is that people are arrested in order to be charged. This is why we often hear about people who are”helping police with their inquiries”: they haven’t been arrested, because it’s possible that they may not be charged.

    (Note: I suspect that in some cases they would be arrested if they declined to stay and help the police, but that would almost certainly not be the case here, given the age of the allegations)

    In this case we have no reason to think that Rabbi Glick has been charged – in fact I presume we would have been told if that is the case. The Herald-Sun merely says he has been interviewed. It might be prudent to correct the title of this post.

  • polygraph says:

    As a general rule a person who repeats a defamatory statement will be equally liable as the person who originated it. it follows that those in control of GA and MW/tzedek may not be able to avoid liability for criminal defamation, libel, injurious falsehood or other forms of potential legal action that may be brought by those effected by the publication of defamatory material by GA/MW/tzedek, merely because they are republishing what others have already written.
    enough! no more defamation

  • even more sceptical says:

    its amazing how you people live in a veil of utter denial. in other news, there is no apartheid in israel whatsoever.

  • Bram Presser says:

    Just a legal note – it is not unusual for someone to be arrested and brought in for questioning following a serious allegation like this. It is equally normal for someone to be released without charge while further enquiries are made. Neither of these speak in any way to an ultimate finding of guilt (or a charge, for that matter). Don’t jump to conclusions. Let justice take its course. One way or another, hopefully the truth will come out.

  • Ace says:

    Editor: These comments are libelous. Any further such comments will result in suspension of your account.

  • Ace says:

    Editor: These comments are libelous. Any further such comments will result in suspension of your account.

  • Joe in Australia says:

    Bram, in such cases are they actually arrested, or are they merely in custody while they are being questioned?

  • Brad says:

    On the Bima?

    Even a contortionist from Cirque du Soleil couldn’t rape anyone (perhaps themselves) on top of the lectern (Bima?) at the Yeshivah. What’s more the Shule is such a busy thoroughfare virtually anytime of the day one would have to be a contortionist and a cretin to have a go. Word is out the accuser is insult removed. Word is also out that Manny and another cohort, the so called Leshes Taper, have been soliciting classmates to come forward with “repressed memories” of days gone by but have been and are still being told to “piss off” as events being put to them simply did not occur, the exception being the groomed wanna-be contortionist insult removedwho seemingly “remembers” every suggested episode put to him. Gosh, I didn’t ever think I’d be batting for Rabbi Glick as I did my shtik in school, did the crime, did the time and was once suspended. But this is just a shameful blood libel akin to the Salem Witch hunts. I will not sit still whilst an innocent person is being pilloried and framed by a loose coached canon.

  • not arrested says:

    I just followed the link above to the Herald Sun website and there is no mention of an arrest as suggested in Galus’ opening piece.

    May I suggest that the issue be introduced accurately? There is enough rumour, innuendo and baseless accusation flying around (i’m not suggesting that this is the case with the thrust of the article and/or any of tzedek’s statements – i’m more so referring to the many individuals on both side of the issue that think they have 100% knowledge of what is happening) without this inaccuracy.

    Thanks

  • Salem says:

    How can any sane person take these allegations seriously? On the bimah, in front of an open sefer torah?! Really?! It sounds like the Satanic rituals that people were being accused of in the ’80s and ’90s, and we know how that turned out. Several people did serious time in prison, and more had their lives turned upside down for years, and yet today just about everyone accepts that it was just a repeat of the Salem witch trials, or the blood libels against Jews.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day_care_sexual_abuse_hysteria

  • >I just followed the link above to the Herald Sun website and there is
    >no mention of an arrest as suggested in Galus’ opening piece.

    This article uses the word “arrested” and “arrest”.

    http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/rabbi-stood-down-by-school-over-rape-claims-20131209-2z1p0.html#ixzz2mzAYXe4u

    A police spokeswoman said a 67-year-old man from Balaclava was arrested and interviewed on Monday and released pending further inquiries.

    The police spokeswoman said the arrest was made by Task Force Sano, set up to work with the Victorian inquiry into how religious organisations responded to child sexual abuse.

  • Sunshine says:

    Amazing. A suspected rapist is arrested and once again it’s a lie……

    G-d help you all and your poor children .

    The problem here is you can’t believe manny was right.

    So you bring up every bad thing as a way of excusing the action of a mollester.

    No wonder the majority of Jews have turned their backs on orthodoxy.

  • Salem, you are are referring to cases that are decades old and the investigative and interviewing techniques in those cases have not been used in many decades. None of these cases involved a “Jewish blood libel”. Nor is there any allegation today of same. Both alleged survivor and alleged abuser are Jewish.

    It is offensive to attack the brave Jewish survivors that have come forward to date particularly in light of the arrests, convictions and confessions to date involving abuse claims at or connected to the same institution/community. Let the forensic professionals do their jobs and let the chips fall where they may.

  • Salem says:

    “Jewishwhistleblower”, the allegation itself is enough to justify invoking those discredited cases. Satanic rituals? These things simply do not happen; not 500 years ago, not 30 years ago, and not now. They are always fantasies. The witnesses in Salem lied, the witnesses in the blood libels lied, the witnesses in the ’80s lied, and this witness is undoubtedly also lying. It defies reason to take such a story at all seriously.

    As for the “forensic professionals”, let me remind you that these “professionals” in the ’90s were also convinced their techniques were the latest and greatest, and completely reliable. And so did the “professionals” in the 1690s.

    The Age story does use the word “arrest” — but so did the Herald-Sun story, until they corrected it. Probably the Age will soon do the same.

  • 1) The NY Jewish Press also scoffed at such allegations of ritual abuse just a few years back. I guess perhaps after seeing the effects of same first hand a few months later its just not as funny.

    You see it turned out that the grandson in-law of Jewish Press founder Rabbi Klass was polygamist haredi ritual child abuser Elior Chen (there has since been a get and his grandaughter got remarried to another convict).

    The graddaughter of Jewish Press founder Rabbi Klass and daugther of Naomi Klass Mauer took a plea bargain for 5 years in jail for her participation in one of the most vile examples of ritual abuse OF HER OWN CHILDREN in the Elior Chen case. Just google it.

    “The three-year-old suffered permanent brain damage as a result of the abuse he suffered at the hands of his mother and her companions, and is expected to remain in a vegetative state for the rest of his life.”

    If this boy could actually communicate as to his abuse 30 years from now. I’m sure you would smear his good name and laugh at his allegations of ritual abuse. Of course he never will be able to communicate same.

    2) You obviously do not have a clue as to the forensic investigations that take place and the techniques used.

    3) Let me know when the “Age” corrects its story as you claim. It has been several hours and the words “arrested” and “arrest” remain.

  • Elijah says:

    Maybe Magistrate Bazzani’s description of Rabbi A. Glick’s evidence as “unfathomable” was prophetic.

  • Joe in Australia says:

    Amazing. A suspected rapist is arrested and once again it’s a lie……

    It’s not at all clear that an arrest took place. As for the allegations being a lie, that would be for a court to determine.

  • Jenny says:

    wow. just wow. these comments are astounding.

  • Salem says:

    JWB, you’re making things up again. Elior Chen may have tortured children, but there were no satanic rituals. “Ritual abuse” is a fantasy. It is exactly the same phenomenon as the blood libels, the accusations against the Templars, and the accusations at Salem in the 1690s. It speaks far more about the mental state of those making the accusations than about the accused.

  • Ace says:

    Haha my comments are libellous? This whole article is libellous… My comments are true and can be proven..
    The whole Glick family are good people, you can’t say that about many families in the community but every kid is a mensch. Now look at many waks family…

  • Shawn Adelist says:

    I went to Yeshivah for 3 years (70s) ….best thing I ever did….now I clearly understand god does not exist…Thanks Yeshiva…..THERE IS NO GOD SO PLEASE DONT SEND YOUR CHILDREN TO RELIGIOUS SCHOOLS.

  • Brad says:

    Ho Ho Ho!

    And on Tzedek’s FB wall a whole series of piercing questions and comments have disappeared. I wonder if the Tzedek board (what a misnomer!!)have finally woken up they are being exposed to potential libel action by a loose vengeful, but smart insult removed.

  • Just saying says:

    Well it is nice to see that there are sensible people posting here who can differentiate between the ridiculous and what is sane.
    This entire episode is going to prove to be utter nonsense.

  • Sunshine says:

    Just saying?

    Every time the YC crew go nuts on the web they are ultimately proven wrong.

    Unfortunately this will be no different.

    Please remember it was the “family can do no wrong” Rabbi glick who covered up multiple abuse cases, helped rapists escape, and was found to have made unfathomable comments by the royal commission.

    Blinkers off, the esteemed YC principle probably also lied. It’s in the nature of the community and given the supply of alcohol to underaged children at yeshiva on the festivals it is a surprise that suddenly there are only four bad kids????????

  • Ace says:

    Sunshine, your clearly not in the community or didn’t go to school at yeshiva. All the kids knew to stay away from Cyprus and knew what happened to Kramer, word gets out fast and rot floats… But this is truly rubbish. They have maybe 10-11 children all with classmates who know their family well, and every single kid who finished year 12 has been to the glicks house for a Shabbat meal. You can see what kind of amazing man rabbi Glick is by observing him at his own house… You obviously missed out.. Your loss.

  • Hey Salem, you seem to have difficulty with facts.

    I see that:

    1) The Age article still quotes police sources and uses the words “arrest” and “arrested”. Want to concede?

    2)
    >JWB, you’re making things up again.

    Really? Please link anywhere that I’ve made up anything. You can’t because it is a lie.

    >Elior Chen may have tortured children, but there were no satanic >rituals. “Ritual abuse” is a fantasy. It is exactly the same
    >phenomenon as the blood libels, the accusations against the
    >Templars, and the accusations at Salem in the 1690s. It speaks far
    >more about the mental state of those making the accusations than
    >about the accused.

    The problem of course is that the public record with Chen confirms “ritual abuse”. Would you like to retract your false allegation against me?:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8330213.stm

    The leader of a Jewish sect has been extradited from Brazil to Israel to face charges of abusing children in a purification ritual to expel demons.

    Elior Chen fled in 2008 after two boys, aged 3 and 4, were taken to hospital with severe injuries. One is in a vegetative state with brain damage.

    shaking the children with “great force”; tying up their hands and legs with ropes, forcing them to drink alcohol until they vomited and beating them with a wooden hammer.

    According to the charge sheet, the members of the group held the younger boy, A, under a stream of water until he choked, burned his fingers with a cigarette lighter and would strip him, put him outside and poor hot and cold water over him.

    It said the older boy, N, then aged four, was put next to a heater until he was severely burned and his skin was starting to peel, and then poured alcohol and salt on the wounds.

  • Salem says:

    JWB, why do you think the Herald-Sun changed their article after hearing from Rabbi Glick’s lawyers? If you read the Age article again, you will notice that it carefully does not say, as a statement of fact, that Rabbi Glick was arrested. The Herald-Sun article did say that, and it was changed. All the Age says is that a police spokeswoman said that someone was arrested. So maybe a police spokeswoman did say that, and she was wrong, but the Age decided it can get away with just reporting what she said, without endorsing it. But if it were actually true the Age would be saying it in its own voice, and the Herald-Sun would have kept the original article up.

    You are twisting the definition of ritual abuse. There’s nothing ritual about the torture reported in the BBC article about Chen. Its purpose may have been purported to be religious, i.e. to exorcise demons, but the torture itself, as described, has no ritual elements. Nor was there anything sexual about it. It’s just plain old-fashioned torture. We know that has happened many times in history. Ritual abuse, though, i.e. satanic rituals such as this person claims Rabbi Glick did to him, has a long and well-documented history of libels, and in all that time it has never once actually happened. Just cast your mind back 25 years and remember how worked up people were then about ritual abuse, and how every single allegation proved to be false.

    It’s insane to give such a story any credence, and if the police knew their job they would have dismissed the complaint instantly. It’s no different than if he had claimed that Rabbi Glick had grown claws and mauled him, or wings and flown him up to the lady’s shul.

  • Salem you have a reading comprehension problem.

    The Heralds-Sun clearly did not do the proper sourcing and had to remove some of the content of its article. I note that there is no apology. The Age on the other hand did and did not have to retract.

    If the police statement was wrong the Age would have had to retract. It did not.

    If you don’t consider “a purification ritual to expel demons” ritual abuse that just shows how intellectually dishonest you are.

  • >JWB, you’re making things up again.

    I also note Salem your inability to link anything I “made up”. Which of course proves you to be someone with that has little use for the truth when you are busy spinning.

  • >JWB, why do you think the Herald-Sun changed their article after
    >hearing from Rabbi Glick’s lawyers?

    I think the question is the answer. Because the paper was threatened it toned down the article, But where is the retraction and apology if wrong? And again the Age still has sources from the police in its article that characterize it as an “arrest”.

    Looks to me that the community spinners are up to their usual tricks.

    http://www.jwire.com.au/news/yeshiva-college-stands-down-teacher/39176

    “It states that “he voluntarily attended upon the police and made a voluntary statement in which he vehemently denied the allegations”.”

    And why then did his lawyers advise him not to do that? No lawyer tells a client in this situation to go and make a voluntary statement to the police.

  • We also now know that according to Rabbi Glick’s lawyers “… these allegations were also made around one year ago …”.

    http://www.jwire.com.au/news/yeshiva-college-stands-down-teacher/39176

    Which raises several questions:

    1) Did Rabbi Glick advise administration a year ago as to the allegations against him, if not why? If he did, what actions did Yeshivah take?

    2) Why would Rabbi Glick “voluntarily attended upon the police and made a voluntary statement in which he vehemently denied the allegations” a few days ago?

  • Joe in Australia says:

    Because they asked him to? I’m not sure what you’re trying to say: are you denying that he made a statement, or that it was voluntary?

    There are a number of mechanisms by which people come into contact with the justice system. They might just turn up at a police station; they might be asked to come in for an interview; they might receive a summons to appear at court; they might be arrested. Rabbi Glick (through his lawyers) denies that he was arrested; I take the word “voluntarily” to imply that he didn’t receive a summons, either.

    An involuntary appearance might imply that he was likely to be charged, but I don’t think a voluntary appearance necessarily implies anything one way or the other. In any event, he apparently wasn’t arrested and it would probably be a good idea for people to correct their claims.

  • >In any event, he apparently wasn’t arrested and it would probably
    >be a good idea for people to correct their claims.

    The Age continues to report the contrary without retraction, correction or apology. So what correction is necessary?

    http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/rabbi-stood-down-by-school-over-rape-claims-20131209-2z1p0.html#ixzz2mzAYXe4u

    “A police spokeswoman said a 67-year-old man from Balaclava was arrested and interviewed on Monday and released pending further inquiries.”

    “The police spokeswoman said the arrest was made by Task Force Sano, set up to work with the Victorian inquiry into how religious organisations responded to child sexual abuse.”

  • Joe in Australia says:

    As Salem points out above, The Age carefully says that “a police spokeswoman said” that someone fitting Rabbi Glick’s description was arrested. That’s a different claim to the allegation that Rabbi Glick actually was arrested. The report of the police spokeswoman’s statement may be absolutely accurate, but the statement itself might still be wrong.

    Rabbi Glick either was or was not arrested: this question belongs to the world of observable facts, not innuendo and “well, The Age didn’t correct their story”. His lawyers are in a better position to know the truth or falsity of the allegation than an anonymous spokeswoman; they also have a professional duty which makes them unlikely to lie. There’s not even any point in lying, because the final outcome for Rabbi Glick will not be affected by whether he was or was not arrested a couple of days ago.

    So, bearing in mind that we are concerned with what actually happened, on the one hand we have his lawyer’s statements, and the fact that the Herald Sun corrected their story. On the other hand, we have The Age‘s report of a police spokeswoman’s statement, which has not yet been corrected. It’s also possible that either the spokeswoman didn’t correct her statement or they didn’t think the correction (“Rabbi not actually arrested! We can reveal that he was interviewed!”) was newsworthy. So bearing all this in mind, why definitively assert that he was arrested when you don’t actually know this, and there are good reasons for thinking otherwise? Just say he was interviewed following allegations that he raped a student; surely that’s the point of this report?

  • WasThere says:

    So much for there not being any investigation going on…LOL…

  • outsider says:

    the ongoing posts regarding the glick matter are not doing any good at all……………………….why cant people just let things run their course……..the system will determine if the accused is guilty or not…….that is if he is actually charged……………

  • WasThere/Aussie says:

    Editor:information related to deleted comment removed

    As for Glick…I’d only ever apologize to him for not paying more attention in his class over 30 years ago….

    Not sure what sort of super powers you think Manny has but other then for Tzedeck to be there to support victims Manny has no part or influence in this case at all….
    His case is almost over with just his victim impact statement to be in court next Monday(unless it’s postponed again)….

    You really need to get a grip on reality here mate and stop shooting the messenger…
    It is what it is….
    The cops don’t care who or what or how long ago….They investigate all complaints and lay charges if there looks to be a case to answer and if the DPP thinks they can convict…
    There is nothing you or I or even Manny can do about it….

    At the end of the day if the “bima” claim is BS and all made up then I hope Glick does sue whoever made the complaint….
    But right now as it stands we just don’t know…

  • Dina says:

    [content removed] Has he no shame?

  • Dina says:

    Clearly Manny ain’t too familiar with the laws of defamation. Nor is his board.

  • 2 "m" says:

    Oh please “Aussie”. As if anyone falls for your crap. You should be ashamed of yourself. What you desperately need is a real day job and some serious therapy. Don’t be ashamed to get help. Happy people don’t get off on bringing down innocent people and ruining lives. You will have your day to answer for this. I’m a firm believer in what goes around comes around. personal insult removed.

  • Dina says:

    Aussie,you’re clearly unaware of the laws of defamation too. Manny is committing a criminal act in posting as he does,and it’s hardly the first time.The police have hard evidence of another occasion.His media hype is just that-media hype and completely false and the wording that he thinks exonerates him suggests that he knows that too. [content removed]

  • Brad says:

    Editor: This comment has been edited to delete libel and personal insults

    Rabbi Glick will be vindicated despite your best efforts to create a blood libel.

  • Dina says:

    Oh yes but let’s take note of MW’s important disclaimers that all are entitled to be presumed innocent, just as he gleefully shares the newspaper articles that are entirely defamatory.Clever Manny,real clever.

  • Given the vicious comments above, it is clear why pedophiles in this community have had it so good until recently.

    As to Salem, keep spinning. Where’s the legal letter from Rabbi Glick’s lawyers to the Age? If Rabbi Glick wasn’t arrested, why hasn’t her sued the Age?

    But more importantly, we also now know that according to Rabbi Glick’s lawyers “… these allegations were also made around one year ago …”.

    http://www.jwire.com.au/news/yeshiva-college-stands-down-teacher/39176

    Which raises several questions:

    1) Did Rabbi Glick advise Yeshivah administration a year ago as to the allegations against him, if not why? If he did, who did he advise and what actions did Yeshivah take?

    2) Why would Rabbi Glick “voluntarily attended upon the police and made a voluntary statement in which he vehemently denied the allegations” a few days ago when he knew of the allegations a year earlier?

  • Raph says:

    Did Manny Waks leak Rabbi Glick’s name to the press?

    Mr Waks has not provided any evidence to the contrary.

    I just got blocked from Manny Waks’ Facebook page. I’ve asked around. Apparently he blocks anyone who consistently challenges his self-promotional methods. [content removed]

    Child sexual abuse is a heinous crime. It should be reported to the police. That is unanimously agreed by the Yeshivah and its critics. The criticisms against Mr Waks concern on his misleading leaks to the media. Remember the double-page story in The Age a few weeks ago? It was full of falsehoods (ie. the ludicrous claim that the Waks family are being ‘ostracised’ and forced to move to Israel, when it’s common knowledge that they were going to move there anyway).

    Mr Waks encourages articles that unjustly condemn the entire Jewish community. When will he be served with a writ for defamation?

  • WasThere says:

    @Dina…

    Can you please give a specific example with link if possible to where you feel Manny defamed anyone….

    Thanks in advance…(-_-)

  • Joe in Australia says:

    Where’s the legal letter from Rabbi Glick’s lawyers to the Age?

    At The Age? In the post? Or nowhere, because he’s got more important things to do? I have no idea; you tell me.

    If Rabbi Glick wasn’t arrested, why hasn’t her sued the Age?

    You don’t actually know whether he intends to, and it takes some time to start any legal action. It’s also very expensive, and he may not think it worthwhile. Also, The Age could probably say that they accurately reported what a police spokeswoman said, as I said before.

    Why would Rabbi Glick “voluntarily attended upon the police and made a voluntary statement in which he vehemently denied the allegations” a few days ago when he knew of the allegations a year earlier?

    “Voluntary”, in this context, probably means that he was asked to come but the police didn’t see any reason to have him arrested. In any event, why would anyone toddle off to the police just because someone makes an allegation against them? It’s either unfounded, and therefore nothing to worry about, or substantial, in which case you probably don’t want to attract attention.

  • Danny Kaye says:

    [content removed]

    I would not worry about a lawsuit […]

  • Dina says:

    Tzedek’s latest post is foolish if not comical. [content removed] Too little too late

  • WasThere says:

    Actually Dina it’s a fitting response to all the verbiage and lies the apologists are posting here….

  • Dina says:

    I doubt the person being defamed thinks so

  • Sunshine says:

    The person being defamed, I need remind you,[content removed]

    Why on earth is that ok? Brad, Dina and the rest of you.

    [content removed]

    There’s no way I understand that and if you do it says a lot about you. I have yet to see one of you say Rabbi Glicks actions was disgraceful and should be punished.

    Why?

  • Dina says:

    Oh please! There is a vast difference between what happened then and how things were handled and accusing him of the ludicrous allegations now.Even MW’s latest posts and wording suggests that he knows it too-his disclaimers are simply lame and insufficient and unfortunately for him there are many people who saved all the evidence before he deleted them from his FB

  • Joe in Australia says:

    Manny’s latest blog post is surprising, given that he has been pushing this story for at least a couple of months. I also think that referring to the alleged victim’s condition is inappropriate. If the implications about his health are true then he deserves our compassion, whether his allegations are substantiated or not.

  • Dina says:

    And it doesn’t look like MW has much support in the latest allegations even from the advocates in the field of CSA.See what Eli Federman and Benny Forer and JCW had to say.He’s gone too far and he damn well knows it too

  • Blocked by Manny Waks says:

    Let’s discuss Tzedek’s new press release… it’s implausible to anybody with legal training (or any intelligent person).

    Tzedek admits that they ‘facilitated’ leaking Rabbi Glick’s name to the media. Isn’t that essentially the same as leaking themselves?

    Furthermore, no evidence is provided for Tzedek’s exculpatory claims. No documents, no reproduced emails.

    The entire community is expected to accept Manny Waks’ word at face value. A judge would not do so. So why should anyone else?

    Mr Waks writes: ‘There was no mention of Rabbi Glick’s name until it was independently published by the Herald Sun’

    Yes, but Mr Waks has not clarified WHO actually told Rabbi Glick’s name to the Herald-Sun. Does Mr Waks expect us to believe that the police leaked the name? That would contravene strict police rules. And the police have no motive for leaking the name. Mr Waks does.

    As for the claims that Manny Waks does not have a ‘vendetta’ against the Yeshivah and Orthodox Jewry….see the double-page article published in The Age on 7/11/13.

    Mr Waks ‘facilitated’ this one-sided, inaccurate and condemnatory article coming to print. ie. It features the ludicrous assertion that the Waks family are ‘ostracized’ and are forced to move to Israel. It’s common knowledge that the Waks family were going to move to Israel anyway. Zephaniah Waks has recently attended the Yeshivah and let’s not forget [content removed]

    You could put these arguments to Manny Waks on his Facebook page. But he’ll probably block you (he’s blocked prominent rabbis, David Werdiger and other critics of his self-promotional methods).

  • Salem says:

    JWB, you’re making up your claim that ritual abuse has ever happened. What Elior Chen did was not anything like ritual abuse; you’re trying to weasel out of that by pretending that you can use that term of anything you like. Well, you can call a hat “ritual abuse”, and then point to it and exclaim “see, it exists!”, but that won’t change anything. Feel free to point out any ritual aspects you can see in Chen’s crimes. Anything you can see that would make it similar to the hundreds of ritual abuse allegations that were made in the ’80s and ’90s, and dissimilar from a standard torture session that one would expect from the Stasi or Savak.

    Why hasn’t Rabbi Glick sued the Age? Probably because they were careful not to claim he was actually arrested, but only to say that a police spokeswoman said that someone was arrested. Assuming that a spokeswoman really did say that, their bum is covered. It doesn’t matter if the spokeswoman was wrong, they didn’t break the law by quoting her.

    Did Rabbi Glick advise Yeshivah administration a year ago as to the allegations against him, if not why?

    Why on earth should he have? Would you? He had no duty to tell anyone anything.

    Why would Rabbi Glick “voluntarily attended upon the police and made a voluntary statement in which he vehemently denied the allegations” a few days ago when he knew of the allegations a year earlier?

    Presumably because they asked him. I think they shouldn’t have asked him, I think they should have treated such a ridiculous allegation with the contempt it deserves, I think they should have treated it exactly as they would have treated a claim that he sprouted wings and flew someone up to the roof, but evidently they did ask him, and he decided to answer their questions. End of story, as far as anyone now knows. If they have any professional credibility left, they will drop the inquiry, and look into charging the person who made the claims.

  • Dina says:

    Hmm,the advocate who calls for ‘no more silence’ has now closed his FB post on the claims about Rabbi Glick and says he will delete any further comments.Interesting development following his latest post on Tzedek. Scared of legal action perhaps??

  • Brad says:

    Does Tzedek and its CEO, Manny Waks, have a vendetta against Yeshivah, Orthodox Jewry and now against Rabbi Glick?

    Absolutely not. Tzedek is simply advocating for a victim without fear or favour, irrespective of who the alleged perpetrator might be.
    Tzedek has urged the community to refrain from speculating in this matter.

    (Brad) Sure they did. And of course the 3 days od Facebook rants never happened, did they?
    —————————-
    Was Rabbi Glick arrested?

    The Age has reported that a police spokesperson confirmed that ‘a 67-year-old man from Balaclava was arrested and interviewed on Monday and released pending further inquiries’.

    (Brad) The Herald Sun had the decency to remove the wording.
    The Age on the other hand did not.

    And what a coincidence the Waks run to the Age whenever it suits. I wonder why?
    —————————

    Did Tzedek leak the investigation to the media?

    The victim elected to tell his story to the media, which was reported in the Australian Jewish News. As an advocate, Tzedek facilitated this. Again, there was no mention of Rabbi Glick’s name until it was independently published by the Herald Sun

    (Brad)The victim….victim? How do we know he’s a victim? At best you could call him an accuser, but victim? Because Manny said so? By the way he should be named as there is no suppression order of any kind and is over 18. If the accused can be named so too should the accuser. And we are expected to believe the accuser elected to tell his story to the media, which Manny facilitated and no name was mentioned? Too clever by half Manny. We’re not dimwits. You loaded the gun and [name removed] fired the bullet! And you had no idea it was going to happen, did you? Nah, it wasn’t me, it was him your Honor.
    —————————-

    Manny has set back the cause of genuine victims.

    Tzedek with Manny at the head is kaput! Just a question of time.

    And to all the Useful Idiots on board?

    I told you so!!!

  • Some issues says:

    So here is what I would like to add to the whole guilt by not reporting a molester.

    I am a teacher (at a government public school). Last year in my class there was a boy who raised all the flags that as a teacher I am trained to look out for. After documenting his actions for sometime, I reported this to the welfare coordinator. She in turn contacted DHS. We waited, and waited, followed up with calls, and finally, we’re were told by DHS that they didn’t have the time to come and investigate. We were told that I had to call in the parents for a meeting and share with them my thoughts.
    So what do I do? Call them and explain (to someone who could potentially have been his abuser), putting the child in further danger, not to mention risking becoming a target myself.

    The reason I am recounting all this is to ask what should i have done. 30 years from now can I be accused of being a protector of abusers? Can my name and my excellent teaching record be destroyed, because on the face of it, nothing was done to help this boy! Never mind that I still worry about him, have shed tears over him and been angry at a system that has failed him??????

  • a watcher says:

    C’mon MR Waks…..Involving a lawyer and making wild threats….absolute madness……wont achieve “nuttin” at all……check out farce-book a.k.a. Facebook for further rubbish published. People need to get a life. Also, there is reference here to if Mr Glick was “arrested”…..Its a strange word. He was arrested although not charged and until charged, and if so, its a red herring………If being held for questioning, its actually an arrest………although one cant condemn the man. Even if charged, he still has to have his day in court……………The consensus however is that he didnt do anything wrong………………

  • Steven says:

    Some Issues, did you try contacting the police?

  • Dina says:

    To-
    “WasThere says:
    December 12, 2013 at 6:50 am
    @Dina…

    Can you please give a specific example with link if possible to where you feel Manny defamed anyone….

    Thanks in advance…(-_-)”

    Are you insane? Have you read Facebook over the last two years? Or The Age and the hatchet job journalism we all get treated to on a regular basis?

  • Dina says:

    Hmm where have all of Michael Cohen’s posts gone on MW’s FB page?Could it be that they were deleted because they are defamatory??Suddenly it’s imperative to delete them,yet for many months MC and so many others had free reign to defame as many individuals in Yeshivah as they liked.Save yourself the trouble Manny,plenty of people have copied and saved it all.

  • Sunshine says:

    I get it now

    Brad and Dina would be fine of their kids were raped and [name removed] protected the rapists.

    This appears to be ok.

    Obviously I’m not thinking straight……

  • Blocked by Manny Waks says:

    Brad’s latest post is excellent.

    Manny Waks hasn’t provided any evidence that he didn’t leak Rabbi Glick’s name to the press. And if Rabbi Glick isn’t charged? We can only assume it’s another attempt to smear Rabbi Glick and the Yeshivah.

    Of course Manny goes to The Age. Barney Zwartz is in Manny’s pocket.

    Barney Zwartz wrote that breathtakingly-inaccurate hatchet job in The Age a few weeks ago (the double-page story about the ‘ostracism’ of the Waks family)? I exchanged a few emails with Mr Zwartz about it.

    I outlined some well-known facts opposing the Manny Waks version of events (ie. the Waks family’s long-standing plans to move to Israel and that Manny’s rejection of practicing Judaism long pre-dated this controversy and wasn’t related to the alleged ‘ostracism’ at all).

    Mr Zwartz wasn’t interested in another point of view. Naturally Manny goes to The Age first.

  • WasThere says:

    @Brad….

    It’s not legal to name the alleged victim here or in any other case for that matter….As you’ve seen for years now even cases with the Catholic church they never release the names of the victims….

    Your suggestion that the person making the allegations against Glick must be named is ridiculous….

  • WasThere says:

    @Dina….

    Just as expected the answer is “NO” you can not give any examples of where anyone has been defamed….

  • dina says:

    You’re wrong on that one “Aussie/Was There”. Those examples are in the possession of the authorities who need them.

  • dina says:

    Aussie/Was there-“It’s not legal to name the alleged victim here or in any other case for that matter…
    Your suggestion that the person making the allegations against Glick must be named is ridiculous….”

    So the one doing the accusing is afforded full anonymity but Rabbi Glick is not? And I suppose you’d say it’s ok for MW to claim there was an arrest when there wasn’t, and post that all over FB and leak that to the press?

  • WasThere says:

    @Dina…

    That is how the law is….The victims name can never be published….
    The accused can unless there is a suppression order…

    Just to be clear…
    The only one who claimed there was an arrest is the police spokeswoman….
    Manny and others just repeated what the Age published….

    You do realize that papers like the Age have their own in house lawyers who must sign off on any story like this??….
    This should be enough to tell you that they did get the info from the police and that an arrest was made…

  • dina says:

    Editor: Stop implying the identity of a particular commenter. If you do it again, your account will be suspended.

    Yes Aussie/Was there [deleted] thanks for the predictable response. And no, the accused’s name cannot be published at the mere stage of interview. But I suppose you’ll predictably claim that Barney Zwartz gets his information independently and that MW and [deleted] don’t feed it to him and to that scumbag FM? And MW subsequently quoting articles from The Age to give legitimacy to his [content removed] rants on FB isn’t downright comical to those of us who possess some modicum of intelligence??

  • WasThere says:

    @Dina…
    NO…The victims name can NEVER be made public….Not as you say at the time of “the mere stage of interview”….

    I don’t know who Barney Zwartz gets his info from and he doesn’t have to tell you unless you got a court order….

    Smarya gets his info from many people and gives “hat tip” if people want….

    What you seem to be missing here is that these stories are picked up and re posted by dozens of blogs from all over the world…
    Yet you want to only point the bone at Manny….

    And just a reminder of the rules here Dina….Speculation on any posters identity is not allowed….
    Though it does give me a great laugh to watch you continually throw out them wild accusations….LOL…….

  • Joe in Australia says:

    I don’t believe it’s illegal to name the victims of sexual abuse unless a suppression order is made, that affects you. This is not to say that it’s a good idea.

    I recognise that this is hardly fair to the alleged perpetrator, who is innocent until proven guilty. In theory it would be right to keep their identities hidden until and unless they are convicted, but in practice this is usually done only until they are charged. I’m not the only one surprised to see that Rabbi Glick was publicly identified before charges were laid.

  • WasThere says:

    I actually agree with you Joe that no person accused of such offenses should be named till after a guilty verdict in court….
    Not just in this case but in all cases….
    But I don’t make the laws….I just operate within them…(-_-)

  • Sunshine says:

    editor: Do not name people involved in any pending investigations. Failure to comply will result in suspension of your account.

    Given the treatment if the victim before he/she is named by Brad and Dina ….. They who support those who cover child rape, is it any wonder the victims are never named.

    The orthodox community has a sterling record of victim bashing.

    However I’m still waiting for Brad, Dina et al to say that [name removed] was disgusting in his cover ups.

    It won’t ever happen because either they don’t believe there’s anything wrong with that or are as scared as the victims of how they will be treated.

  • polygraph says:

    in relation to the cover ups:

    every one agrees the cover ups were tragic in retrospect however it is wrong to look at people’s historical actions through the prism of current social standards. I think it is fair to say that the devastating consequences of sexual abuse were not fully appreciated a few decades ago.

    It is clear that society’s values at large (Jewish and Christian) have evolved rapidly in relation to sexual abuse and a manifestation of this is the introduction of the mandatory reporting regime.

    I would argue that the cover ups were not intended to help the perpetrator but were primarily designed to assist the VICTIMS. I do not dispute that there may have also been an ulterior motive to protect religious institutions as well, which is shameful, however this was only a secondary consideration and has now been rectified at YC as is apparent from its policies.

    In light of the above, the current witch hunt against YC leadership and in particular Rabbi Glick is misconceived and misdirected and accomplishes nothing. (I would add that Rabbi Glick wasn’t calling the shots back then as Rabbi Groner was running the show so the vendetta against him personally is deplorable in my view)

    defamation however is evil by today’s standards and is a civil tort and potentially criminal act and the propagators of defamatory material should be held accountable both by the community and courts of law.

  • Sunshine says:

    Oh boy…..

    Really? So why are you defaming on this site?

    [defamatory material removed]

    And please explain then how it assists the children by moving their abusers to abuse others.

    And if you know that homosexuality is normal by today’s standards, why throw in the Torah to abuse gays by suppressing them?

    And if today’s standards show that men need to respect women, why do you cover your women head to toe and make them purify after a period ?

    And if today’s standards are that alcohol should not be given to children because it damages their brains, why are your members drunk and supplying their children with alcohol?

    And if today’s standards are to be all inclusive, why do the religious men cover their faces when a secular women walks past?

    To suit your own purpose which is to maintain the cult.

    Please don’t throw today’s standards as away of protecting evil men.

    No wonder anti semitism is rising.

  • [impersonated identity] says:

    Editor: I am giving you the benefit of the doubt: I’m assuming you didn’t intentionally impersonate a regular poster here. Do it again, and you will be banned permanently

    Yes, Manny Waks could face up to two years in prison for criminal defamation….plus the impending civil case.

    It’s worth pointing out that [name removed] was involved in the cover-up too. His father was instrumental in sending David Kramer overseas. [abusive victim blaming removed]

  • Steven says:

    There is another thread happening on the ‘Editorial’ tab, then click on the top comment on the right.

  • Raph says:

    Sunshine, you are so wrong. So uninformed. So biased.

    The moderate Hasidic Orthodox (ie. Chabad) do not ‘cover their women head to toe’. You’re confusing them with frum Muslims. The Jewish women merely dress modestly (if they want to)

    And women are not ‘forced’ to ‘purify’ after a period. Going to the mikvah is a pleasant monthly experience. It’s basically having a warm spa.

    At the Yeshivah, I’ve seen many notices forbidding the provision of alcohol to kids under the age of eighteen. Especially on Purim and Simchas Torah. And what’s wrong with adults having a drink to celebrate?

    I don’t see ‘religious men covering their faces when a secular woman walks past’. What a load of bullshit.

    And it’s not a cult. I know hundreds of Chabadniks and nobody has ever complained to me that they were ‘forced’ to do mitzvahs. That would defeat the purpose! Mitzvot should be done voluntarily!

    You simply don’t know what you are talking about.

  • Sunshine says:

    Of course I don’t know

    How would I?

    Hmmmmmmm

    Choice indeed? You must be male

    Don’t ever assume anything

    The choice you refer to is no choice at all

    It’s enforced , women have no choice at all.

    But you keep going. One small step for you one giant leap backwards for women everywhere .

    Warm spa indeed……

    I suppose the YC feeding their children alcohol is simply a way to heighten their spirituality

    David Koresh must be your relative

  • Truth Needs No Defender says:

    I am completely confused here, it has been well established that Rabbi Glick did not get “arrested” – why is the headline of the article still up online and the inaccurate wording within the text of the article? Under Australia’s journalistic code of practice this would and should have been removed by now.

    Please read this link: http://www.alliance.org.au/code-of-ethics.html

  • WasThere/Aussie says:

    Where has it been well established that he was not arrested??….
    It has been well established that he WAS arrested….The police spokeswoman said so…

  • Galus Australis says:

    Truth, the header and post have been amended.

  • Salem says:

    “Was There/Aussie”, it has not been established at all that he was arrested. All that has maybe been established is that a police spokeswoman probably said he was, or that someone matching his description was. If so, she was mistaken. That seems very well-established, since if it weren’t so why would the Herald-Sun have changed its story? For anyone at this stage to continue to say that he was arrested is outright slander; everyone knows better by now, or ought to.

  • WasThere says:

    I have no reason to not believe what the age reported….

    You could of course ask the Herald-Sun why they removed the story….My guess would be that they did so cos they didn’t actually talk to the police spokeswoman like the Age did or they felt it just easier and less hassle to remove the story rather then enter a dispute with apologists….

  • Joe in Australia says:

    WasThere: Can you really not see a difference between “The sun is shining” and “Fred told me that the sun is shining”? If you can’t then just say so, and perhaps people will stop belaboring the point.

  • Salem says:

    Wasn’t there, the Age did not report that Rabbi Glick was arrested. All it reported was that a police spokeswoman said he (or rather someone matching his description) was. You can believe that if you like; it’s probably true. But if so, what she said wasn’t true. The mere fact that a police spokeswoman says something doesn’t make it true. Police spokeswomen are as capable as anyone else of getting things wrong. And in this case, if the Age is right that she said this, then she clearly did get it wrong. That is firmly established by the fact of the Herald-Sun changing its story. It’s the only rational explanation for it having done so. So when you wrote “it has been well established that he WAS arrested” you were not only wrong, you knew you were wrong. That is called a lie.

  • WasThere/Aussie says:

    @Salem….

    The Age article does not say “or rather someone matching his description”….
    It clearly says….
    “A police spokeswoman said a 67-year-old man from Balaclava was arrested and interviewed on Monday and released pending further inquiries.”

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/rabbi-stood-down-by-school-over-rape-claims-20131209-2z1p0.html#ixzz2oDGGQbgi
    LOL…

  • Sunshine says:

    Funny thing how the words mean more to some

    Arrested, not arrested …….

    But in the issue of [defamatory material removed] you all shut up.

    I don’t think any of you believe in god.

    You certainly don’t care about the consequences of your behaviour.

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